The Black Curtain Club
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Well-Aged Horror Movies
What makes a horror film withstand the ravages of time? When special effects grow dated and cultural references fade, what qualities allow certain movies to continue chilling new generations of viewers?
The Black Curtain Club takes a deep dive into horror films that have aged like fine wine—or perhaps more appropriately, like well-preserved corpses. From the devastating psychological impact of The Mist's unforgettable ending to the practical effects masterclass of John Carpenter's The Thing, we explore the elements that give these films their enduring power to frighten.
Our passionate discussion reveals how Stephen King adaptations tap into universal fears, why Asian horror remakes successfully translated cultural terrors for Western audiences, and how films like American Psycho continue finding new devotees decades after release. We debate whether practical effects hold up better than CGI, why certain sound designs like The Grudge's iconic death rattle become permanently embedded in our nightmares, and how directors like Kubrick created environments that become characters in themselves.
Whether you're nostalgic for the slashers of the 80s, appreciate the psychological depth of films like Silence of the Lambs, or recognize how Night of the Living Dead established the zombie blueprint that influences media to this day, this episode celebrates the films that continue to haunt us long after the credits roll.
Ready to revisit the horror classics that refuse to die? Join us for a blood-curdling conversation that might have you checking under your bed tonight. After all, the best scares never truly age—they just find new ways to terrify.
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Speaker 1:Oh my god.
Speaker 3:I'm literally just waiting for you guys to shut up.
Speaker 4:I've been saying that for years. Bushy, oh really, jesus Christ.
Speaker 3:Hi everyone. It's your, hi everyone. It's your fourth horseman brooke, and today we'll we we will be talking about movies that have aged well and, yes, there is going to be spoilers, so if you haven't seen these yet, too bad, you've had plenty of time. I'm'm here with Becca, angie and Kyle. How are you guys today?
Speaker 1:Horrible.
Speaker 2:Horrible. Oh my gosh. I am so excited to be here with Kyle, the only person I've ever met that doesn't have a birthday. First of all, wow.
Speaker 4:I was just thrust into existence. I was not birthed.
Speaker 2:You just became.
Speaker 3:Angie, did you want to do some birthday shout outs?
Speaker 1:Yes, so we have a very dear listener and her name is Teresa Teschner, so her birthday is April 20th. If you know Teresa, be sure to give her all kinds of love on the 20th, and from the Black Curtain Club, we wish you a very, very happy birthday.
Speaker 2:Happy birthday Mama. Happy birthday Teresa. Happy birthday Teresa Carry on.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 4:Oh and also well, also we should acknowledge.
Speaker 1:You know, also we should acknowledge our I don't know interloper podcaster, kyle, for his birthday. So happy birthday.
Speaker 4:Happy birthday, Kyle. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1:That could not have been any more fucking awkward. So you're welcome.
Speaker 2:Okay, he challenged me before the recording and I knew I had to make it weird somehow. I just didn't know how I was gonna do it I think we succeeded I am so excited to talk about movies with you guys. This is something that we have like gone over again and again on our personal calls, so it's like finally coming to fruition that we get to sit down and talk about some scary movies together and I'm so freaking excited.
Speaker 3:I want to know how hard it was for you guys to think of five horror movies that aged well, because it took me forever. I literally didn't finish until yesterday.
Speaker 2:I finished this in one sitting. I was so excited Once I started, I couldn't stop.
Speaker 4:It was difficult to narrow it down for two reasons one, because I feel that there's quite a few of them that have aged pretty well, but also my brain. I was like you can't give me too vague of a task, I need specifics. I was like, okay, aged well, how, how old? Like movies that just came out, yeah, they were great, but we can't say they haven't aged well, because they haven't aged. They just came out like we're talking 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, black and white, but I need the criterias.
Speaker 2:So I knew you were gonna overthink this.
Speaker 4:I love it um, and then I was promptly yelled at and I got my shit together and I gave some movies.
Speaker 3:So all right, um, let's get into it. What we're gonna do is a roulette wheel. Um, I actually made like a little spinning wheel with all of our names, so we're just gonna click the button and whoever it lands on is gonna tell me the first movie that they picked. Can you hear it?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, it's like real fortune.
Speaker 4:It's angie what, what, who took?
Speaker 1:my first one is the mist. So it's from 2007, I think that it's aged well, because like it just has this sense of unease, like you don't know what the horrors are, but you know something is just lurking out of sight. It's just the tension is in the air, it has psychological torture, um, and then, like the ending is so, oh, it's just so tragic, so fucking depressing. Yeah, it is. It is Like the ending is so shocking. But Thomas Jane, he played the role of David Drayton, you know, just fantastic actor. And then you know, shout out to Marcia Gay Harden, I just love her as an actress. Oh, yes, she played that religious zealot. So not only are you dealing with like the horrors of these monsters that are taking over, but then you have this like crazy woman. That's psychological threat and all of that. It's just it just has all the classics, stephen King what more is there to say?
Speaker 4:So that's why it's aged well, because it's just real life.
Speaker 1:Unknown horrors.
Speaker 3:You got a crazy religious zealot barking at you.
Speaker 4:It's literally just, it's just Tuesday.
Speaker 3:Honestly, the ending of that movie has stuck with me since the very first time I watched it. I was one of those weirdo kids that have watched it probably since I was 10 or 12 years old and like sometimes it just pops into my head and I'm like, oh yeah, that made me feel bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's 100% a valid pick. I love the Mist.
Speaker 4:Wait a minute.
Speaker 2:Can we, just like you, still want to talk about the Mist?
Speaker 4:I mean, there's just like funny scenes in that movie and shit.
Speaker 2:Okay, kyle, kyle, take us through it. I want to know my bad, I want that.
Speaker 3:I want that he's ready for deep analysis. Oh no, I want this I need this.
Speaker 4:It's just kind of funny because I watched this movie like two days ago.
Speaker 1:I watched it like two days ago.
Speaker 4:I don't know why, but like the badass biker dude, right, he's like all right, just take that rope and tie it around me, I'm getting the fuck out of here, right. And so he's going to get his knife something like that one and so everything goes and it's like he gets like dragged up and also kind of crazy shit, whatever. They're just like dragging it back and it's just what's left of the bottom half of his body and everyone's just like mortified, but they're still dragging it like why?
Speaker 1:why are you? And then for the rest of the movie.
Speaker 4:For the rest of the movie, there's just deadpan shock gets me every time there's just there's just half a body just in frame when they go to run. I think the guy who ended up being the doctor in the captain america movies, I think, yeah, I think he like trips on it. He doesn't fall, but he like like it's still there. I love it, like I absolutely fucking love that. Oh yeah, you want to talk about some nightmare fuel when they go to the pharmacy?
Speaker 3:and there's the fucking spiders everywhere the acid web.
Speaker 4:And then there's the MP guy it was us, it was us. And he like falls off the wall and just explodes in like a billion little spiders Fucking terrifying man.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's so disgusting, oh my God.
Speaker 2:I'm like getting the heebie-jeebies right now just talking about it?
Speaker 3:oh my god, did anyone else?
Speaker 2:said they have the heebie-jeebies, the heebie-jeebies, the horse is dead the horse is dead okay, the wheel has picked me, so one of mine I have here is sinister.
Speaker 3:When sinister came out, I feel like it was during the time when netflix was still really trashy, but they put sinister on and it was obviously amazing sinister. I feel like when it first came out was extremely underappreciated, but I think it's kind of turning into like a cult classic now, where the more people I talk to about it they're like oh yeah, like that movie's awesome, it's so good, versus way back when they would have been like I don't know what Sinister is. I also love the music in this movie. I feel like it's way different than any other horror movie. There's like lots of drums and beats and this is actually coming up in more horror movies now in 2020.
Speaker 1:Well, I know that I had this on my list and I let you have this one.
Speaker 2:This is my top Wow.
Speaker 1:Humble Queen. I know Humble Queen but this is like my top tier, absolute favorite scary movie ever. I am one of these people that I just don't get scared at movies. I don't find anything shocking or nothing gives me the creeps. This movie gave me the creeps, in fact. I still will not watch this movie like late at night. This movie just hits all of the things that I need to scare me. It's got the music, the creepy, creepy character, just the way that they reveal the murders that happen and like the atrocities that happen. It's so. The cinematography is just so good and it's it's graphic, but in such an artsy way like you see what's happening. But you don't it?
Speaker 1:oh, I just love this movie so much. Love it. Love ethan hawke, it's just perfect.
Speaker 3:This is another one of those movies where, like, the ending fucks you up for a long time. Like I always forget the ending to this movie and then I watch it again and I'm like, holy shit, I can't believe that just happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it is the first movie in a long time, very similar to what Angie said. So it's like, yeah, you watch some movies, like when you were a kid. I remember the Exorcist absolutely terrifying me forever. And then I watched it when I was a and I'm like, fucking what? Like, yeah, it's like it's spooky. It's spooky, you know, but like I'm not. Oh, you know it's, it's a scare. Sinister absolutely terrified me. I don't care how this makes you sound. I cannot watch that movie with the lights off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, yeah, no I swear to god honestly, this movie is everything.
Speaker 3:Whoever's listening to this if you haven't seen sinister, please watch it.
Speaker 4:Becca, that means you if you haven't seen this movie.
Speaker 2:I was sitting here quietly hoping that, like this, would just move on and nobody would talk to me, because I have no idea what the fuck you guys are talking about.
Speaker 1:Oh my god.
Speaker 4:Becca, you are fucking up bud. You are fucking up bud.
Speaker 3:Becca we might have to have a Discord party and stream Sinister.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't find time in my day to shower, but I will find time to watch Sinister with you.
Speaker 3:Priorities- Okay, I'm going to my trusty wheel. It's Becca's turn.
Speaker 2:Yay.
Speaker 4:Not Sinister.
Speaker 2:Yay. So I'm a lot like Angie. It's really hard for movies to scare me, and I think I've made it pretty crystal clear from episode one of this podcast that Becca is not of sound mind. So I like the really fucked up ones and I also like the really simple ones. My first one is the Descent from 2005.
Speaker 4:Chef Kiss.
Speaker 2:So yeah, at the bone. It's a movie about the effects of isolation, vulnerability on the human body, but turned up to 10. It's about five women who regularly thrill-seek. They meet up in an attempt to reconnect after one of the women experiences the loss of her husband and daughter. So it's supposed to be this like oh, we're getting the girls back together, we're going to go do something risky like we like to do, and we're just going to bond and have a great time. So what's supposed to be a routine cave exploration in the appalachian mountains turns into more than a trust exercise when the way in gets blocked off and they have to basically find their way out. And in the struggle they stumble upon this impossibly fast humanoid with pale skin and milky eyes. It literally like flips the whole movie around from the second like you think. It's just like a normal, like nature horror movie. But suddenly there's monsters. And it's not just any monster, it's like an albino bat and smiegel from ward of the rings had a baby. It's this fucker, right, okay.
Speaker 2:And there's not just one lanky weirdo with a taste for human flesh, there's like a whole secret colony of primal pasty, apex, predators, and then okay so if the monsters weren't enough, we find out one of the bitches was sleeping with the dead husband oh, and this whole trip was a way for her to like, ease her guilty conscience. She took them all to an undiscovered cave system instead of the one that they had the map for. So in my opinion, she's the real villain of this movie.
Speaker 3:She is the villain and I really hope that those pasty monsters ate her up. I hope they were like mmm, like she's so pasty.
Speaker 2:They don't get her in movie one, but they get her in movie two.
Speaker 3:She doesn't not make it out, let me tell you. Okay, what idiot decides to go back to that cave after seeing that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, the girl whose husband dies finds out yes, they're like making that desperate run for the escape, right, and she looks over at the girl who slept with her husband and sticks like a knife in her leg so she can't run. I mean, it's very simple. The special effects are like super minimal and I think the main antagonist is literally just how dark it is. The monsters are scary, but the real people are also very scary and I think they just did a phenomenal job with this movie. What do you guys think about?
Speaker 4:oh, a million percent that they are yeah god, I think the only creatures that are actually scarier looking. It's like tower man from night. Of the living dead too, like that's the only more grotesque looking monster I've ever seen from elder scrolls yeah, they do, they really do, and it's just oh, it's yeah, no, it's just nope.
Speaker 4:Like you said, it's the not very movies, not very movies, not very many movies can capture and instill, like you're watching the movie in you know the comfort of your own home or in a theater, in a big room and so on and so forth, the cinematography in that movie. With some of the tight fitting, they instill claustrophobia. You know, but, oh my god, absolutely like, oh my god, I feel like my skin is.
Speaker 4:I can watch that movie in the middle of a field and I'm gonna feel in like the tiniest cube, being squished by everything around me. That with that one specific scene where like, ah shit, what's fucking? Whatever bitch is squeezing between two things and it is absolutely terrifying and I'm just like, yeah, like it's I. It's hard for me to breathe during that scene where I'm like, oh shit, oh my god, I just nope, I can't. I have to take a lap after that scene alone.
Speaker 3:It's, it's amazing yeah, the sense cgi's is kind of like holding up to you over time, is it? It's like what? Like almost 20 years old, now 20 years old yeah, it was 2005 and they used.
Speaker 2:the thing is they used very minimal CGI. They used a lot of prosthetics to make like people, like little monsters, and I think that is like the secret for these movies the practical effects, yeah exactly.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm instantly terrified of your movie if you have practical effects and makeup. But yeah, one on my list. That's the main reason why it was why I chose that one is because of the actual makeup all right, it's kyle's turn.
Speaker 3:I'm not gonna spin the wheel for this one just because I know kyle has not vented to us about a horror movie yet.
Speaker 4:Um, I don't know if this counts as a horror movie, but I'm pretty sure it does. I don't give a damn american psycho.
Speaker 3:No explanation definitely counts, definitely counts love. No explanation why that movie holds up. We're just moving on because it is no, it's very valid it's cinema I think it's also one of those ones that are like no one had ever watched it and now that I'm older, like everyone's, like, oh yeah, like you know american psycho. I'm like oh my god, yes, I know american psycho. Like you know american psycho yes, absolutely.
Speaker 4:And then it was not too long ago, um, I don't know, I fell down the youtube like recommended, you know hole on the side there and um, there's, there's a page on there where they'll just they'll get actors and actors, they'll sit down, have them just talk about like their iconic roles. And they had christian bale in there one time and he was talking about American psycho and he fought so hard to make that move. That movie almost like didn't happen and there was all sorts of turmoil, whatever. And he fought so hard and he believed in that movie so so hard, like I don't remember all like the really in depth specifics of of it, but he fought tooth and nail to make sure that that movie got made and, if I remember correctly, like it didn't have that big of a budget like it was almost like they just kind of who gives a shit?
Speaker 4:just throw it at the wall, whatever's there, just release it, because we can whatever scraps. We have put some type of a movie together and see what it does.
Speaker 3:Lo and behold, lo and behold I think I remember when I first watched that it was pretty new and I remember being like why does this look?
Speaker 1:like it's like filmed 10 or 20 years ago, like the the film wasn't good, but it was really new, um, so it does make sense that it was like low budget, but it's so good, well, but I think that was an intentional thing, because it's set in the eighties and they wanted to have this whole, you know, like it was an age, you know, age film, I think that was an intentional, you know way that they filmed that.
Speaker 4:But yeah, cause it came out like 99 or 2000 or something like that, I think, 2000. Um yeah it's just oh christ, and no one can no one with a working brain can hear any song by huey lewis in the news and not look at their friend and just go hey you like huey lewis in the news and like you have to say it like that also yeah I mean yeah that's such an iconic scene it's.
Speaker 4:It's. It's the bandwagon scene, it's this if you don't know the movie, you know the scene. But I don't know what I love so much about it the fact that by the end of it, christian bale takes an axe to jared leto's head, or just the fact of like he's just going on and on and he's just info dumping. So like I I relate to some level. He's just info dumping about hugh lewis news, but his stupid little dance and like walk as he's, like putting on this rain jacket and taking his coat off, and like grabbing the axe and he has that big shit eating grin on his face and it's just like yeah he's just so happy and just so like oh my god, this is the greatest of my life.
Speaker 4:Hey, paul wham love it. Yeah, absolutely love it, with just like the two newspapers put out. So he doesn't like stain his carpet or whatever, but he put like just the funny pages out. That proceeds to like just massacre him it's just you've completely repainted the place. It's so fucking funny.
Speaker 1:Like you know, he's sitting there like drunk or high off his ass and he's just looking around, like yeah like do you have?
Speaker 4:a dog? Do you have like a little chow or something?
Speaker 4:I do he like gets in his face like I do you silly willy. It's so funny, it's like I love that, I absolutely. I just I love that movie. I absolutely love that movie and I think it is like everyone kind of talks about. But I don't know, I think it takes a very certain kind of actor to to. If you can play a convincing crazy person or a psychopath or whatever the hell it is, it's very hard for me to think that you're a bad actor or actress. And Christian Bale, without a doubt for me, my own personal opinion solidify himself as an unbelievable actor with the performance in that movie alone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I always like to throw out something about a reservation at Dorsia, because I feel, like that's like a little nugget that really tells me if you know the movie or not. Because you know, I've talked to people about that and I'm like well, hey, do you want to get a reservation at Dorsea? And they're just like huh, and then other people get it. I love those little nuggets like that.
Speaker 3:Not to mention Christian Bale is hot as fuck in that movie.
Speaker 4:Oh God, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Like I don't care if you're a killer, you can kill me like yes, please, oh yeah please and thank you as long as you're the last thing I'm looking at when I die, like, yes, all right, I'm spinning my wheel, my trusty wheel, okay, oh, that's what it's called now. All right, we're back to becca. All right, I'm spinning my wheel, my trusty wheel, okay.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's what it's called now.
Speaker 3:All right, we're back to Becca.
Speaker 2:Hi guys, it's me Becca. You'll notice I didn't say anything about American Psycho. I hate that fucking movie. So my next movie is the Grudge. It came out in like 2006, 2005, somewhere around then. Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 4:I'm going to do the whole thing now, because did you hate American Psycho?
Speaker 2:Ah, so this film is actually? It's a remake of a Japanese movie called.
Speaker 3:Ju-On.
Speaker 2:And I think that they did such a good job because they made this movie genuinely horrific. Like our main girl, sarah Michelle Gelle geller, she's a home health aid for this mostly catatonic elderly lady in japan, and the house is just haunted. Right, it's instantly you can tell. But it's not just haunted, it's like it has a grudge on mankind.
Speaker 4:So there's a curse oh, maybe that's why it's named I.
Speaker 2:The curse manifested when the house's previous owners had a bit of a domestic situation. So long story short. Jealous husband murders wife and son right.
Speaker 4:As you do.
Speaker 2:So the wife and son are two of the ghosts we see. We also see this jaw lady that's running around. You know who I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:It's a movie about pretty much inevitable dread and an unbreakable curse, and it's like once the negative energy tastes you, it chases you down and will hunt you down until you're dead. I think that there's something about the hopelessness of it that hits me the most. They can't leave, they can't outsmart it, like you always see these scary movies and you're like why didn't they just leave? Well, the bitch did leave and it chased her down. It's like gravity, you know, like you don't always notice it, but it's there and the trauma elements.
Speaker 2:The way the house seems sentient like the ghosts, it becomes this like choose your fighter of the worst kind. Do you want the croaking attic lady? Do you want the woman without a jaw just drooling on the goddamn floor? And if none of these tickle your trauma, just right, there's this gaunt cat boy who will literally yowl your soul out of your body like it's so scary but wait, there's more such a good movie I think, the grudges agreed, all the so iconic in our society, also like that noise.
Speaker 3:You know that noise, it's just like any.
Speaker 2:Anytime anyone does that, people get scared it's supposed to be like a death croak, like a death rattle. That was the last noise she made when she was alive and she's just like stuck in this death rattle. She can't make any other sound. It's fucking horrifying. They did so good making the sound like a character in the movie yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:Uh, I'm gonna burst your bubble on this one, but, um, that noise was very easily recorded. They just like followed my father when he went to, like, give his subway order. What can I get for you today? And the director just turned around and goes wait a minute, Do that again.
Speaker 2:Can I get a? Hey, get out of my house. Sorry Dad, sorry Dad sorry, dad, alright.
Speaker 3:I have been chosen.
Speaker 2:Brooke, it's your time. I see the light okay.
Speaker 3:So my next movie that I want to talk about is Shudder not to be confused with Shudder Island. If any of you say Shudder Island, I'm gonna lose it. Right, talk about is Shudder Not to be confused with Shudder Island. If any of you say Shudder Island, I'm going to lose it. Right now, I love Shudder Island. Can we talk about that movie? No, we are not talking about Shudder Island. That is not found as a horror movie.
Speaker 2:We're talking about Shudder 2008.
Speaker 3:This is a movie where, essentially, a couple moves to Japan after they get married because the husband is a photographer. They start realizing that their home, as well as other areas, are haunted, so I'm talking about, like their friend's home, their car, basically everything. They're being followed essentially by a ghost, by a ghost and then, after investigation, his wife realizes that it's because this woman committed suicide after being sexually assaulted by the husband and his two friends. So it's a very, very sad movie. Yes, it's a very, very sad movie, but it's one of those ones that every single time you watch it, you realize things that you have never noticed before in the movie. Um, and I think this movie is just really good because in today's society, like, there is unfortunately a lot of women who that kind of thing happens to, and I think this just shows, like the, the long-term effects it can have on people, even in the afterlife.
Speaker 2:That is so interesting. I've never seen Shudder, I've seen Shudder Island Fantastic movie. Shudder sounds awesome. It almost sounds like revenge porn in the best way, like fuck this guy. His whole life gets ruined ruined the ending is amazing.
Speaker 3:I don't want to spoil it for you, but the ending is amazing. The friends both get what they deserve and the husband also get what he deserves. It's very satisfying. And his wife also leaves him. She's like fuck you, Like I didn't know I married a rapist, like I feel like there's a lot of women who would have been like oh, like he's changed, like I can fix him, like whatever the wife was straight up.
Speaker 3:Like oh, like I'm so disgusted by you, like fuck you, I'm leaving and then, and then yeah I'm so glad she got the ick from her.
Speaker 2:She was her husband, she was a girl's girl. The wife's a girl's girl it was so relatable when she hated his guts after that. Yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 3:I was like, yes, like good on you girl. At first, like when I was younger, I didn't really understand it very well and I was like why would she leave him over a ghost? But like now that I'm a full adult, I'm like, yes, okay, where's my trusty wheel? Um, all right, I'm spinning it again. Okay, it's kyle, oh boy.
Speaker 4:All right, let's go with the thing. 1982, kurt russell. Absolutely, oh sorry, I gotta sit back up here on this one. Uh, I mean, yeah, everyone's kind of describing like, what the movie is for those of you haven't seen. Everyone's kind of describing what the movie is For those of you who haven't seen it or don't know what the movie is first off, what? Second of all, a research team down in Antarctica uncovers a otherworldly being of some sort. It's probably some alien, monster, fucking thing, thing.
Speaker 2:There's the name. Something you know Is is the thing well, no it can't it can.
Speaker 1:It can shape shift.
Speaker 4:It can shape shift so it could take on a c, a seamless. You cannot tell um. The form of man or beast doesn't matter. So like at one point it um. I think the first thing that it does it disguises itself as like one of like they have, like sled dogs and shit like that. It like turns itself and takes on the form of one of the dogs and is like into the camp and like like eats like three of the dogs or something like that, like iconic scene too, like I just visualized that, yeah, all of it and it's like, yeah, it's just, that's what's nuts, and I think I don't.
Speaker 4:It's hard trying to find out. Like, what's scary I mean, we were talking about it earlier is that the practical effects and the makeup is absolutely terrifying. It's just, you want to make a good scary movie, you make, you don't CGI it, you take, you put the time, you put the effort, you hire good makeup artists, good visual effects and you make a terrifying, grotesque monster of sorts. And the fact that you take on so many different shapes it doesn't always look the same. It does not always look the same. And the part that I audibly gasp at every single time is it took on the shape of one of the older guys in the uh in the team. God, I can't. I can't remember his name right now, but he's like having a heart attack. So they're going to use the? Uh the defibrillator on the paddles, right, so they go and clear. And when he goes to put the paddles on him, his chest opens up like a venus flytrap mouth or like one of the like piranha plants from like uh, like um mario, and literally just chomps.
Speaker 4:His whole chest just opens up and just like chops that guy's hands I audibly gasp every single time and I know it's fucking coming and it's just, it's so good, it's absolutely it's. But I don't know if it's the monster itself or how. You don't know who it is, you don't know what it is, um, but it also plays into like the psyche. The whole thing is like the distrust because they don't know who's real, who is it? Which one is?
Speaker 4:it's the original among us, like hairy guy sus hairy guy sus funny guy sus it really, really is like I'm not even trying to be cute and funny, right now it is the original among us and the. It's really, really tough because the ending of the movie, um, it comes down to the two characters left out of everyone who's down there at the research team. Everyone's dead. The only way to kill the monster is by setting it on fire. It's like the only weapons they have in there because, like I said, they're scientists on there there's no like military presence they're in antarctica, right like, yeah, they're in arctic literally yeah all they have is like flamethrowers, which is funny as hell either
Speaker 4:way, um, so they um so like the entire facility. Everything is burning down. It's the last two characters. They're like, they're in like a truck or something like that or some type of like a shack, that's like the ruins of it and just the all the buildings around them are burning. They got separated earlier on and they're staring at each other and they're just like, hey, what happened to you? Kind of thing. He goes oh, I got lost because of the storm when I was chasing blair and also that kind of fun stuff, and they're just kind of, they're just staring at each other and they go to share a drink and one of the ways to tell it, um, it was affected by fire and alcohol. So that was like.
Speaker 4:The test was, uh, whether they would put like a little bit of like like the igniter to the flamethrower to like the blood, and if it reacted, that's how you would know whatever it was. Or, same thing, if anyone to go take any type of sip of alcohol, it would react that way. So they go to like share a drink and one takes one. It looks like one of them takes a sip but they doesn't. The other one doesn't take a sip, and so it leaves the speculation that if one of them is the creature, one of them isn't. Are they both the creature? Like what?
Speaker 4:it's there's that there's that ominous yeah distrust, you can't trust who's friend or foe. I absolutely, I absolutely love that movie. It's so fucking good.
Speaker 2:And come on, kurt russell yeah, that's a good one, good pick what I'm not as familiar with, but I know that it's iconic because people always talk about it yeah, yeah yeah shit, I'm gonna watch that movie later I want to make a version called that. What is that?
Speaker 4:what is that the thing? Oh my god, it's that know they did a remake of it in like 2011 or something. Not that that they did it's like it's like okay, so write the script, send it to Simon Pegg and Nick Frost, because they're like, come on, that's right up their alley.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:It's a very Abbott and Costello kind of horror movie.
Speaker 2:What's that? Who's on first?
Speaker 4:No, that, that thing no that that thing, no, not that thing. That thing, the other thing no, the other thing, that thing, no, that's a hoochie, what's it? Not a thingamajig. Don't you see the thing, no, the majig. Oh, like that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 3:All right, Angie, you're up.
Speaker 1:All right, well, I have. This is kind of like a freebie, it's a given. Everyone should feel this way about this movie, and so it's the Shining from 1980. Oh yeah, I mean it really. It really still stands up. It really still stands up Um Kubrick's use of like isolation and visuals and like the unsettling sound design. Um iconic, absolute iconic performances with um Jack Nicholson's portrayal of Jack Torrance, um Shelley Duvall's character, even the you know the cigarette.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, I just found her a cigarette. Yeah, no, um shelly devol's character, even the ash on her cigarette. Yes, yeah, it's on her cigarette. Yeah, no, um, fucking creepy little kid, danny, you know I hate that, it's just.
Speaker 3:I love danny honestly come play with us.
Speaker 1:but you know they're just, it's just psychological horror. You know it's, it's a slow burn, but like that cigarette.
Speaker 1:It's like that damn cigarette. But what's interesting is how Kubrick used the Overlook Hotel to actually become a character itself, a character itself, and it has like these Labyrinthian halls and they're eerie and like the abandoned spaces and like these amplifying feelings of isolation and paranoia. You have supernatural elements like the ghosts and his visions. There's just a real kind of ethereal quality to this type of horror and it really kind of blurs that line between what's a paranormal influence and what's a true mental breakdown and you just you're on a ride into like this slow descent into madness and the horror is more like internal than external, and the horror is more like internal than external and I think that that just makes everything feel like just more intimate and personal. So that's my take.
Speaker 2:uh why I think the shining still remains like one of the best horror movies ever made one of the things that I always have in mind when I think of the shining is the way stanley kubrick treated. All of the things that I always have in mind when I think of the shining is the way stanley kubrick treated all of the people on the set while they were doing.
Speaker 2:It was almost like he was putting them in the conditions that the character yeah yeah, yeah, was not well after that movie oh, she was not, no, she cracked her little gourd making that movie, jesus yeah, bless her heart but it's, it's still, it does. It does hold up so well. It's not. It's almost dated, but they do such a good job of it that it doesn't seem dated, and I always remember that woman in the bathtub so unnecessary so so disgusting bro it looks like one of the people in davy Jones' ship Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 1:You're totally right.
Speaker 2:She has barnacles on her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bootstrap, belle's mother.
Speaker 3:I do agree that Bootstrap Belinda the Shining is very iconic. Like I think it's in the Like there's so many references to it now in pop culture, like you have to know the Shining, but I do not's so many references to it now in pop culture, like you have to know the shining. But I do not like the slow aspect to it, like if everything was like happening like immediately, I'd be like, yes, love this movie.
Speaker 3:I also I did read this book and I don't think that the shining gives the shining justice because the book is actually mostly about, um, how danny has the shining and I don't think there's magic yeah, I don't think there's like enough of that in this movie, but I do understand why this movie is like very iconic, um, that there's a lot of references to it and why it's held up over time and I think a lot of the points you make and you're like super, super valid I just also want to kind of sidetrack us a little bit that there is an ongoing theory that stanley kubrick um implanted a lot of information into that movie about the fact that he orchestrated and directed.
Speaker 1:I know what you're going to say I know, I know what you're going to say Moon landing.
Speaker 4:That's what I was going to say.
Speaker 1:The reason why it's held up is because we could talk about this later.
Speaker 4:Yes, there is a going conspiracy theory that that movie is him. Is him admitting quote, unquote and a lot of Easter eggs and so on and so forth that he was the director and did the filming for the quote, unquote, faking the moon landing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's wild. I love it, I love it.
Speaker 2:I feel like I would be negligible if I didn't say that I live in Northern Colorado. The Stanley Hotel, which is what the Overlook Hotel is based off of, it's about an hour away from my home. I've never been inside, but I've trolled around the parking lot like driving real slow to see if I could see ghosts in the window. And it definitely has like a foreboding feeling when you're looking at it. And it might just be because like it's in a weird location it's right up on the mountains, but it's also like in the middle of a city. So it's just like it location it's right up on the mountains, but it's also like in the middle of a city. So it's just like. It's like an odd feeling you get when you're there. It's a very strange building, you guys should check it out sometime.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna check it out. I'd love to check it out, all right. All right, who is the next movie? I spun and the wheel landed on me. I'm orange and I'm gonna pick, pick Jeepers, creepers. Yes, I'm picking Jeepers Creepers. Shout out to Jeepers, creepers Only to those. Yes, this movie has aged so well because of literally how scary it is. This is actually a horrifying movie. We did talk about it a couple weeks ago. If you haven't listened to our Wendigo episode, please go back and listen to it. But basically we talk about how horrifying Jeepers Creepers is onigo episode. Please go back and listen to it. But basically we talk about how horrifying Jeepers Creepers is on that episode and all the things that happen on it. But the reason I'm saying it's aging well is literally just because of the Windigos and I think this is just making him kind of more relevant again in pop culture's such a good movie, dude.
Speaker 2:It holds up so well. I think it's one of the first scary movies I ever saw as a kid. I was way too young the first time I watched it and like the scene at the end with the eyeballs and the face so unnecessary like I will never forget that movie. I will never forget that movie.
Speaker 3:The scene that got me was where he's like stitched up in the like he goes into the yes, into the tube and he finds that guy and he's like literally still alive and he's like literally stitched up all down his body. I'm like, oh my God, that's horrifying to me.
Speaker 2:Okay, what about when it eats the tongue out of that guy's head? It's just awful.
Speaker 4:Oh, it's just awful. Oh god, they I think it, I I think. The reason why I think the reason why it holds up so well, is because that's an early 2000s one right?
Speaker 4:yes, yeah, that's like it came out like right at the turn of the. It almost like it created the hybrid between the high school slasher flick of like the 80s and like the 90s. So like it took, it took the actual slasher, spooky monster thing of um nightmare on elm street. Friday the 13th, halloween. All those slasher flicks doesn't make them a slasher, it makes it a monster, just like that one. It brings the teen aspect, not like the stupid whatever the 90s ones. So the I know what you did last summer, the screams, etc.
Speaker 4:So it brought angsty ones exactly the angsty ones, not the stupid ditzy like typical, like the jock, the whore, the virgin kind of stuff from the 80s um, just the cabin in the woods exactly I love that goddamn movie, um it and somehow also brought the it.
Speaker 4:It dipped its toes for the wave of paranormal ones and like the ghosties and the spookies and the specters that was to come. So it was. It paid homage and it had it. It's got it's. It's got enough irons in the fire. It's dipping its toes in everything. It's a little bit of all the genres into one and so you can't. It was like oh, it's like this movie. Oh, like you said, it goes. The shock value, like you'll see in the shock value, is something like you would see in the Shining or something that you would see in any Rob Zombie movie, although Jeepers, creepers did that shock thing with the tongue scene, with the stitched up scene and so on and so forth, before the rest of those movies. So it's almost like oh, that's like that one. Oh, yeah, that one from it. So it's almost a pioneer of a new, like the new age of, like the horror movie, while still paying its respects to the ones before it.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'm just thinking, I'm overthinking it, maybe no, I love that do so well when they make like an urban legend all their. Yeah, exactly it makes it so rich and textured you can't help but be invested in it absolutely absolutely yeah, I love the way that you describe that.
Speaker 3:I love that you said that it it kind of changed the future of movies it really did, at least that's yeah, million percent, million percent.
Speaker 4:That was actually that one was actually going to be on my list well, it was on mine first so there yeah all right, I'm spinning my wheel.
Speaker 3:Who's destined? It's kyle. Again wait, did kyle just go? I don't know, I don't even remember. At this point I'm just going with it, let's go okay, my next one.
Speaker 4:Hmm, which one do we talk about next?
Speaker 2:I know nightmare on elm street fantastic yeah, absolutely so my celebrity crush, freddy krueger not robert england, freddy krueger, no, it's.
Speaker 4:Uh. So I was going like okay, so just to slightly backpedal, I was my list. I went for movies that I feel really did something to the genre as a whole, not just like a good movie, but it did something that is either still present or had an impact on the horror genre all the way through, and so I feel that nightmare on elm street gave us the best slasher because it attacked you where you were the safest, when you were lying asleep. You know you're told as a kid, when you go to sleep, nothing can hurt you in your dreams. Dreams aren't real, so you're safe there. Surprise bitch.
Speaker 4:Um, so there's that aspect to it. But the fact he was so sarcastic and so just psychotic and laughing and joking and the puns and the ridiculousness and how everything can be warped because it's in a dream, like halloween, is scary because he doesn't talk and he's just there and he's just daunting you and he's just chasing you. But eventually you can get away from him because you are in the real world and you know, uh, friday the 13th, same thing. It's just okay. Just get a splash of water in his face and you're fine. That's a script tonight or whatever the hell same thing. You're in the real world, but you're in the dream world where reality isn't a thing. And then the terrifying little one, two, it's gonna come, uh, one two freddie's coming for you, the bad.
Speaker 2:The badass claw come on the bars, yes, bars, bars for days oh my god I love it.
Speaker 4:I absolutely love it, but, um, I mean, but also, you know, without that movie we wouldn't have uh, you know we wouldn't have Johnny Depp and or Johnny Depp in a crop top. So, like, thanks for that. But I feel like, like I said, almost like with Jeepers, creepers he brought something brand new to the table and just completely flipped it on its head, like he's finding he's not full-heartedly driven by revenge, he's doing it because he wants to and he's getting an actual kick out of doing it. That's why he's laughing and he's taunting you and he's not just chasing you down to kill you.
Speaker 3:I think any scary movie that has a fun little jingle attached to it is Aging. Well, he's got his little jingle. Jeepers Creepers has got his little jingle. Jeepers creepers has got his little jingle. There's a movie called dead silence that.
Speaker 4:That's got a cute little jingle yes, which is it insidious that has the tiny tim song tiptoes?
Speaker 2:yeah, oh my god, yes yep yep okay, that movie I hate that movie I know I was trying to talk to you about it. You were having none of it. Angie, I know you don't like that movie.
Speaker 3:Insidious, honestly, can go fuck itself. I'm with Angie. Yes, amazing, I'm not doing, I'm not gonna do spin, I'm just picking Angie she's pissed off at her wheel.
Speaker 2:Well, literally it's like I'm not gonna to do a spin.
Speaker 3:I'm just picking Angie. She's pissed off at her wheel. Well, literally it's like I'm not going to put her last again.
Speaker 1:It's all right, I'm used to being last Yikes. No, so for my next one is Resident Evil.
Speaker 4:Yes, okay.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm so happy.
Speaker 4:So there was two on this list I could not wait to talk about. It was this one yeah.
Speaker 1:So if you don't know, resident evil is part of a video game legacy. You know this film helped bring the video game to like a wider audience. It's just really became like it has this cult following. Now it's like an action horror hybrid mila yogovic.
Speaker 1:Um, just the way that she portrayed alice um it just I don't know. It's just so iconic. There's zombies, there's mutants, there's this dystopian setting, it's survival horror. Um, it just has everything. Everything that you could possibly ever want um out of an action horror movie is contained in this, this whole franchise. I mean, I love the entire franchise.
Speaker 2:So yeah that's my little rant about resident evil this you guys have to stop me if I start going too far, because this is something that you're unzipping me. I'm obsessed with resident evil. I've played almost all of the games, except for the most recent ones. The story is so good because it's straight up human experimentation. The people that have all the money trying to find a way to live forever right, and what do they do? They make fucking freaks out of it and it just becomes this whole thing and the way like the outbreak happens and the way it takes over the world and you get to see like the plague spread and then you find out that pretty much everybody is a superhuman mutant because everybody's been getting experimented on the whole time and it's just such a good series they do so well you're talking about the, just the movies, or the games, or both?
Speaker 2:In the movies.
Speaker 4:Okay, okay, specifically Okay, just make it so specific.
Speaker 2:Yes, In the games it's very much the same thing. Like a lot of the characters you run into over and over again, they've been infected in some way by some level of the virus.
Speaker 4:Oh, absolutely, and it's very cool.
Speaker 2:It's a very cool game. Very cool movie. I love them so much yes, the first.
Speaker 4:The first two movies follow the first three games. Pretty, pretty, damn well um, which I think is like, since I played, I was a big fan of the games before the movies came out, because I want to see this shit probably 10 years. We're talking playstation 1 here, everything from the dress to the hive, to the t-virus, to the corporation, to wesker, just god damn I'm oh my god, when albert wesker comes to the movies, yes, I slid out of my chair, I hydro plane out of my chair.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, he had the sunglasses oh okay.
Speaker 4:So it took me a little time to accept the movies past the second one. From being completely honest, I I still found them entertaining, but I needed to be warmed up to them because I am such a die-hard fan of the video games and they changed an insane amount of shit from like alice isn't in the games project. Alice is not in the games, mila yogovic is not in the games whatsoever. But if there was anything in those movies that I felt was flawless, impeccable, perfect, whatever fancy word you want to put it was him wesker, from the way he looked to the actor's portrayal, to he was the voice in one of the games, wasn't he?
Speaker 4:he was, he was, and then they switched him when they did all the remakes. He is uh, he's wesker, it's just goddamn, I love them so much. And nemesis nightmare fuel. Let's face it, if captain america wasn't the exact thing and this is exactly what it would, because we would fuck it up he wouldn't look like chris evans, no, he would end up being mutated and all trashed and deformed and look exactly like nemesis, because we don't know what it is.
Speaker 4:And I also love all the memes and the jokes and the TikToks that are coming out now where it's like every Resident Evil ever you're going through and you're finding, like the scientist log, he goes like we've decided to crossbreed a gorilla and a T-Rex and a dolphin and we gave a chainsaw for arms and we haven't fed it in four days. I hope it doesn't escape the next page. Dot dot dot, it escaped. And then you hear like a bang, every fucking game does the same thing. It's some video log of some atrocity they've done and we're like we hope it goes well. I'm waiting for the time to actually get Morgan Freeman to go. It did not go well. I'm waiting for the time to actually get Morgan Freeman to go. It did not go well. Like every fucking time, it never goes well.
Speaker 3:I feel like I have to watch these. I haven't watched any of them. I just feel like I have to do it, just so I can honor Becca, just so I can get on her level of like. I just want to know, I just want to be excited about it as she's excited about it. Like, yes, I just want to be excited about it as she's excited about it Like yes, they're not as scary, it's just kind of action films.
Speaker 4:I'm not saying that in a bad way, yeah, yeah, so like if you're like, oh, I'm not big into like I mean for our listeners if you're not big into like monsters are scary and so on and so forth, just like hang on through the first, like three, and then it's almost like the Fast and Furious where they do like a genre shift, like after the first few, and then it's just like action shoot-em-ups past, past. Like the third one.
Speaker 1:I want to say yeah, I think that's a fair assessment. They are still entertaining.
Speaker 4:They are entertaining.
Speaker 3:I'm still entertained by them, but like, All right.
Speaker 2:Becca, you're up. Okay, this is the one I wrote the most about, so just bear with me. The Blair Witch Project, right? Yes, so this movie is so different from all of the other movies you've ever seen. It wasn't about the best audio equipment, the best cameras, like getting everything, like the right angles. No, this movie it's almost like it refuses to point the camera at the plot. So it basically follows students Heather, Mike and Josh.
Speaker 2:They're going to make a film about a local legend, the mythical Blair Witch. They travel to Maryland to interview locals in a small town who find the most sketchy and ominous ways to tell them that this place is haunted by like an entity. Right, they bring up some guy from the 40s named Rustin who would abduct children and murder them in the dusty ass basement of his home. He would kill them in pairs, having one stand in the corner facing the wall. That's where, like, the iconic Blair Witch Corner comes from, and they say he was under the influence of the Blair Witch. There are a couple of other like legends about an entity luring you into the woods. There are stories about people getting murdered at landmarks and then when they go back for the bodies, the bodies are just gone. It's very like ritualistic, very witchy, Anyway.
Speaker 2:So they go searching through the woods to find this Blair Witch right, they're trying to find proof that she exists and it's one of those things they do really well by not really showing. Is it the locals messing with them? Are they going crazy because they're lost in the woods or is there actually an entity chasing them? And I think they do a very good job of showing how primal fear gets triggered. You think about it. Humans came from the woods, but with technology and everything putting them back in the woods when they haven't lived in the wild, like that, it's very interesting to see what happens to the human brain when you're in that situation. So I think that this one is top tier. The imagery of like the stick people and the bloody rags and the rocks, Like it's just all so fucking good. What do you guys think of this movie?
Speaker 4:I think it sucks ass.
Speaker 3:No, I think this movie is iconic, especially because now we're finding out how the movie was made and the things they did to the actors. Essentially, they didn't really give them a script, they just sent them into the forest and like fucked with them.
Speaker 4:And so give them a script. They just sent them into the forest and like fucked with them, and so all their reactions are like truly real. And to be clear, uh, I was just doing that to be a jackass, because you seemed very passionate about this one and you said you're like american psycho, so I was just being stupid and hurtful.
Speaker 2:Um, you jackass that me, you're not the first person in my life to be stupid and hurtful.
Speaker 3:I think it's definitely like a movie everyone has to watch once, because, uh-huh, I think after this movie came out is when we started getting like the so-called like found footage films afterwards oh like. This is like the first of its kind million percent.
Speaker 4:Yeah, absolute trendsetters like started the genre people genuinely thought it was real.
Speaker 2:They literally thought this was real when it came out, because of the way they marketed it, because of the shoddy camera work and the patchy audio. Like everyone thought this was genuinely found footage and I thought it was so interesting. It's like it switched the whole paradigm of making movies. You don't need a fancy camera, you don't need to go to school for it. You just go out into the woods with your buddies, you have a movie.
Speaker 1:I thought it was really cool. Well, I think the thing that got me with it is the way that they build it, and they talked about how people were so upset at the movie. They had people fainting and vomiting and having to leave because they couldn't sit there, because it was so scary. And I was so pumped up for this movie. I remember taking a day off work to go see this movie because I kind of wanted to see it without, like, a lot of people in the theater, just so I could kind of soak it in. I have to be honest, I was a little disappointed.
Speaker 1:I didn't find it scary, but I do appreciate it for what it is. I give them all kinds of kudos for literally carving out a new genre of movie, but I think that happens to me a lot. Movies get hyped up to a point and then you go in and it's either not what it's been kind of represented or just the hype is so big about it that I but I'm also a person that just doesn't get scared- I also feel like they don't hype movies, especially horror movies, in the same way they used to?
Speaker 4:not a chance in hell, absolutely not. I million percent agree with you, though that movie was. Yeah, I remember that people says like people are fainting and this and that and the other thing, and screens were stopped because so many people I remember hearing about like just all that people were freaking out and same thing. When I finally saw it, I was like oh yeah, no, this is, this is a spooky movie. But like them motherfuckers is like nothing but weak sauce. If you guys are throwing up and like fainting because of this movie.
Speaker 3:You know I mean like it has something to do with like motion sickness. Like I remember my cousin being like no, like I actually like that movie makes me motion sick because the camera is so shaky. They probably didn't realize it was of that at the time. They were like, oh my god, it's just so scary that I threw up, but it was honestly actually probably just because they were motion sick okay.
Speaker 4:Well, you know what? We'll even give the benefit of the doubt. We'll say 2000 says the movie is almost 25 years old or it is 25 years old. I literally never thought about that until right now, when you just said that good emotion sickness. Never thought that's all right now. I think that Good with motion sickness Never thought that's all right now.
Speaker 2:I think that was happening with Exorcist 2 when it came out. I think that it just took people a long time to realize that audio and visuals do have an effect on your brain and like your center of gravity and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Like it really does.
Speaker 2:Vertigo is a very real thing. Seasickness is a very real thing. Oh, no, they're just external factors, having a hell of a time messing up your body oh, all right, I'm spinning, my wheel spinning, we're back to kyle oh shit, let's go with.
Speaker 4:You know we'll save the best for last. So right now we're gonna say 1996 scream because, come on, we all know, iconic yeah, iconic before tiktok and before weird people with weird obsessions. It took, it took the genre and it absolutely flipped it on its head. You got just just the opening scene alone is, I think, next to the mask itself. I think the most iconic thing about the movie is the opening scene like you have a, you got the big name actress.
Speaker 4:It's all playing out like this is the lead for the whole movie and he guts her like a fucking fish. Like nine minutes into the runtime we got two bodies completely butchered and we haven't even seen the title of the movie yet and it set the tone for the movie that you have no clue what the fuck is gonna happen and you just gotta accept it. You know that when the twist comes you're not gonna see it and it's gonna blow your fucking mind. I mean, I'll definitely. I'll say the very first time I saw that movie I was like get the fuck, I love it. It's still my favorite scene of the movie. He's up against the door. He just he slides down the door the blood on his hand, looks at her with that amazing grin and then just licks his fingers corn syrup same thing, from carrie and I'm like bro, I love it, I absolutely love it.
Speaker 1:It's so fucking good yeah and same thing, just the cast. Just thinking about that scene right now.
Speaker 4:Yes, ma'am, I do See it, I do.
Speaker 2:Scream is one of my favorite movie franchises of all time. I really like them. I really like how simple they are and how it's one of those things that, because it's so simple, you can keep retelling the story over and over again.
Speaker 4:It's so simple, because it's always somebody else trying to be the copycat and it gets so, but it also gets so complex. Exactly, it's just. It's a meat and potatoes. There's a killer. No one knows who it is. The killer's just hiding in plain sight. Killers Hiding in plain sight. And it's just, it's a new copycat. It's a.
Speaker 2:The only thing that doesn't work in those movies is Courtney Cox's bangs. And what is the third one?
Speaker 4:The only thing that doesn't work out of that whole franchise. Only thing that doesn't work is her hair in the third one.
Speaker 3:My question is would you consider the Scream franchise like your comfort horror movies, Like comforting horror movies? Me no, me no yeah, anyone, I guess for anyone like I feel like you're like it's just so simple, but it still works like that's underworld for me.
Speaker 4:I'm obsessed with the underworld movies I'm obsessed with the underworld movies for a very different reason and I don't know if we're gonna save that for another episode, but I'll make an admission I'm gonna say, okay, it's not.
Speaker 2:It's not kate beckingsale, it's scott speedman that does it for you, am I right?
Speaker 4:absolutely not.
Speaker 2:You know what is that I get for fucking opening my mouth.
Speaker 4:Yes, that's what you get but are those?
Speaker 2:are those horror?
Speaker 4:movies I see. I see those more as like an action movie than a horror movie.
Speaker 2:There's literally monsters and jump scares being precious OK.
Speaker 4:Same with Van Helsing, but would you consider Van Helsing a fucking horror movie?
Speaker 3:Oh, I love Van Helsing. Oh, my God. I would consider it a romance movie. I would consider it a horror movie. I would consider it an action movie. I would consider it an everything movie, Any kind of mood journey. You can watch Van Helsing and it's going to give you what you need.
Speaker 4:Oh, it gives me something.
Speaker 3:Okay, Angie, you're up.
Speaker 1:Oh God, okay, Talk about a jump scare. Okay, okay, boo, eh, uh, okay, so all right. So I am going to save the best for last, so I'm gonna go right now with silent hill 2006 more video games? Yeah, I I mean yeah I know we're, I know we're going to talk about pyramid head. But you know, let's, let's just hold off for a minute.
Speaker 4:We made it through ghost face? I have. We made it through ghost face, so I have faith yeah, I'm being a good girl.
Speaker 1:I am being a good girl I know you're a very good girl, becca pyramid head is very different.
Speaker 4:I'll give you that.
Speaker 1:Say this for effect Becca, you're a very good girl.
Speaker 4:Notice how I kept my mouth shut I inked.
Speaker 1:She made me ink.
Speaker 4:Oh shit.
Speaker 1:Anyway, let's get back to Silent Hill. Yes, take me there, okay. Oh, seriously, okay, I have to tell you. So I have my lights on a timer. My room just went completely dark. Um, so it's a dark, unsettling movie. It's based on a video game. It's like the visuals are so captivating yeah, they are. You're drawn into this nightmarish world. There's like this psychological horror. There's mystery. You know, let's talk about the themes that it explores. You know there's themes of guilt, motherhood, psychological trauma.
Speaker 4:Sexual awakening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they have a very loyal fan base. There's visual and practical effects and I think that's why it really holds up. Because of the practical effects Again, the nightmarish imagery, I mean every every time you hear those sirens right, that that you know that there's going to be some weird shit that happens and what kind of monsters you're going to meet.
Speaker 2:And it's like stained up crusty monster with barbed wire around right it's gonna come out yeah, yeah, uh, but yeah, phil.
Speaker 1:So let's feel free to talk about pyramid head, because, my god, go becca, go becca.
Speaker 2:the thighs of a legend, the head of a triangle pyramid head, haunts my dreams very much. So I don't know if it's like the mask, I don't know if it's the build or if it's the way he grabs that woman and throws her skin at a church, but I've never been more jealous of a corpse in my life, I mean.
Speaker 4:I have Because, like they get to be a corpse and I got to keep doing this shit. Oh, dead over here. Brag about it, you all gotta keep on living.
Speaker 2:Oh, look at me, I'm just like lifeless and don't gotta fucking pay taxes or anything. I breathe in and out.
Speaker 3:Oh, no more existential pain like that sucks for you.
Speaker 4:Wow, oh lucky I thought you were gonna say something oh, don't have to pay ten dollars for eggs. I thought you're gonna make an egg joke there for a second existential, existential.
Speaker 2:Fuck me, I'm having an existential crisis I think all of America is 2025, the existential crisis.
Speaker 1:You know what the?
Speaker 3:exorcist.
Speaker 1:The exorcist.
Speaker 4:You know what? Honestly, pyramid Head don't sound that bad. I have more bits of Chalice of a Corpse in my life. That was good. Uh, someone we should all right spin, spin that bitch I'm picking becca.
Speaker 2:I'll go last on this one, on this round okay, so for this one and I wanted to touch on this because one of my other ones was in, but also now that kyle has shared one I can say that three of these movies have been featured in the scary movie franchise, and the one that I'm going to do next is the ring 2002.
Speaker 2:This is another japanese remake of a movie I just can't help but think of the thursday movie. This bitch is messing up my floor. The tv's leaking. The tv's leaking that whole scene. I was thinking of the girl in the garage door when you were talking about scream, anyway.
Speaker 2:So the ring cursed videotape, urban legend. The villain in this one is literally straight up, just a little girl who was murdered by her parents for being evil. Um, and she was evil like, don't get me wrong, she was absolutely pure evil. But it like metaphorical for cycles of trauma, right, like the things that you do affect other people, and then the way to end the curse is to hand off this cursed videotape to somebody else. So you're essentially like the only way I can stop myself from being hurt is to knowingly hurt somebody else with it. And I think it's really powerful. And I like the way that it uses a VHS tape, because for some reason, humans have this weird nostalgic weak spot for VHS and VCRs and old-style TV, and I think that this touches on it really well, because it's something that we all had. We all had VHS tapes, we watched the Ring. We look at them a little differently after that, don't we?
Speaker 2:Yeah they're haunted. I especially like the end when Miss Naomi Watts goes into the well to confront the Ring girl and she's like we're supposed to think this is like some redeeming moment. She's reaching out with her mother's heart, right. She's like all you needed was acceptance and love and I'm here to give you that. And the girl's like okay, thanks, cool, like peace. But then later, like no, I was tricking you bitch. Like yeah, I'm still gonna kill your whole family LOL. Jk Straight up like pure evil. The villain is just pure evil.
Speaker 3:I love the Ring. I think it has a special place in my heart because the first time I ever watched the Ring was also the first time I ever had frozen yogurt. Okay.
Speaker 2:Well, weird flex.
Speaker 3:Okay, two amazing things, the Ring and frozen yogurt. Who knew they went so well together.
Speaker 4:They go together like lamb and puna fish.
Speaker 2:I thought I was going to get to share my human centipede story.
Speaker 4:But no, brooke's story did not go in the direction I thought it would. And on that note.
Speaker 3:On that note I am taking over.
Speaker 4:I would like to talk about the saw movies and please, for the love of god, how much time do we have left, because I am so ready bro, chill.
Speaker 2:We're like an hour and a half into this, yeah you gotta.
Speaker 3:That was so rude. I was speaking and you just cut me off my feelings. You're hurt. Now what the fuck, kyle?
Speaker 2:well, this song is so close in whatever he feels like, it steps on all the women yeah, choke it all.
Speaker 3:Right, I'm talking about the song movies more specifically. Okay, guys, we know all the song movies are great. Okay, all of them are iconic. But I want to talk about specifically four to seven, with an honorary shout out to spiral, which is like the newest one. Um, because of the way the police become involved with the jigsaw killer. Um, obviously, spoiler alert one of the police officers end up actually he's an fbi agent. He ends up becoming the new jigsaw killer, but he's such a brutal jigsaw killer that he does not give um the victims a way out of the traps, like they will literally die no matter what. And I think it just really shows how deep police brutality goes, how awful the government can be to us, and especially with spiral, like the cop is so hot, I was so sad when he was the new jigsaw killer.
Speaker 3:I was like, are you kidding me? Like officer william shank, like you were jigsaw, like please put me in your trap, right, like um. But yes, I think that this it was kind of ahead of its time and now that or maybe I was just really young when I was watching them, but like now that I'm like, oh, a full adult. I'm like, oh, yeah, you know, the jigsaw killers are probably just paying off the police the whole time what trap do you think you could survive?
Speaker 3:you would you would oh, jesus christ, every single one of them on? I don't think any of them. I think if I was going to survive any of them, it would be the one where they are all tied up on chains and then they just have to do a little slice on their arm or like wherever, and it's like on a giant bandsaw that's probably which one I just saw truck that I want to sit in the most is the one where that girl gets her ponytail pulled in the fourth one it's the first one.
Speaker 2:It's the stripper her braid is like hooked in something it's like slowly scalping her.
Speaker 3:You're augment anything to do with eyes, anything to do with eyes, I couldn't do it. Anything with cutting a limb all the way off, I don't think I could do it.
Speaker 4:So all of them Got it yeah pretty much all of them.
Speaker 2:It would be so boring because I'm not scared to get hurt and I'm not scared to die. He would just have nothing to do with me.
Speaker 1:I would just be a head on a table like what are we doing today, boss? Like it's like masochism.
Speaker 4:I love it. You've seen my results. You know what I am. No, I jesus, I yes. This franchise, this is, this is my comfort horror franchise, yeah, every september first. That's when halloween starts.
Speaker 4:For me, halloween is massive, massive, massive for me. So I'll decorate for halloween order, take out all that kind of fun stuff and I'll just have the movies playing all day long. I will and if, like, september 1st falls during the week, call out of work to like do it all day to watch. All this started at I'm not kidding started at like seven, eight o'clock in the morning, put the first one on and play every single one of them Back to back to back to back to back all the way through. I absolutely love them and the amount of respect that I have for the first one because of how everything was stacked against it. That movie was from day one on set to filmed and done and start to go to editing 12 days. That first movie was made with a to editing 12 days With them. That first movie was made with a million dollars in 12 days, holy shit.
Speaker 1:It was.
Speaker 4:Wow, I didn't know that it Everyone was. The movie was announced and it was released in 11 months. It was filmed in 12 days, cost them a million dollars and opening weekend weekend it made like 50 million. I think it's still the most successful low budget movie. Like the most successful low budget horror film in history of like how much money it made to how much it cost was absolutely insane.
Speaker 4:And just the simplicity of the first one they only filmed in. They filmed in one warehouse, so all the movie was actually filmed in just the one warehouse. So like the bathroom scene was like here and then out in the hallway, it's like the next room over from like where the bathroom is. It was like the workshop where they go running and like chasing and like all the shotguns are up above which like it kills danny glover's partner and all that shit. It's literally the next room in the same hallway. When they open the door there at the end it's that hallway that he goes running down into and then it's just the next level up. That's what makes that movie so much more amazing to me, because it seems so complex, but it's really what's done in a weekend I love the song.
Speaker 3:I'm right there with you, kyle, where you say it's your comfort movies Like 100%. If I ever need like a cozy weekend, I'm throwing on the Saw movies.
Speaker 1:I will say that, and hostile are kind of in the same vein for me.
Speaker 3:No, not hostile. I'm never going to Germany because of hostile.
Speaker 1:Fucking love. Hostile, like when the kids are kicking that head head around using it for a soccer ball.
Speaker 3:Oh my god.
Speaker 2:So fucking gross. I'm such a morbid fuck. I love those movies so much.
Speaker 4:They're so good I almost threw up watching the second one.
Speaker 3:I couldn't even bring myself to watch the third one. I was like holy shit.
Speaker 1:Oh, the third one is so good.
Speaker 4:Oh, it really is. Is the third one, the one with all the really rich people and they're taking the. That's the third one, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, where the one that they take is really rich too.
Speaker 4:Yep, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yep.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, the second one is where one of the girls with like a trust fund baby and her two friends get ringed and she like buys her way out.
Speaker 1:That's the second one. That's the second one. Yeah, that's the one where she cuts his dick off at the end, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll remember the second one until I die yep that was my end game like I stood up in the theater and clapped yeah yeah that was oh god, yeah, oh fuck.
Speaker 4:It's been a long since I've seen those movies. Nah, if you don't do, if you like gore and disgusting horrendously, just yeah. Those movies are all fun and games and whatnot, but sci-fi, horror, event horizon that is the goriest, most grotesque, horrendous, horrific movie I think I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 4:Oh my God, Just oh my God.
Speaker 3:Okay, Empty's up.
Speaker 1:All right, well, save the best for last. I love this movie so much it's iconic, and I know what's going to happen after I say this, so let's just get it all out of our system. Silence of the Lambs. Becca, put the lotion in the basket. Hard fuck me.
Speaker 4:Hard, fuck me so hard.
Speaker 2:Is she a great big fat girl?
Speaker 4:That's the best line and no, that's totally how I answer the door man.
Speaker 2:I'm totally Buffalo Bill when I answer the door, so I'm just like unhinged and confusing again, another fun tactic for the J-dubs.
Speaker 1:Also, again, another fun tactic for the J-dubs.
Speaker 2:Jesus, Also also you want to come and fill the kitchen while I look for a business card.
Speaker 1:Don't mind the moths, but the reason that I think this is absolutely a classic will stand up in 50 years. People will still be talking about this movie and it's just that dynamic between clarice and hannibal it's. There's so many layers to it the tension, the suspense, the procedural elements that you have the psychological kind of thriller and horror. Um, yeah, just so many things about that movie is just iconic. You know, the hello clarice, you know he never says that whoa huh, he never says hello, clarice is this
Speaker 3:a mandela effect. I was gonna say are we going down a mandela right now?
Speaker 4:he never says hello clarice ever. It's good evening, how are you you? He says other, he has other ones, but he never says hello Clarice.
Speaker 2:What? What do you covet, Clarice?
Speaker 4:He says her name plenty of times, but he never says hello, Clarice.
Speaker 2:I've heard that it's like the Luke, I am your father thing. That's not really what he says.
Speaker 4:It's not, he says I am your father. He never says Luke, I am your father. He just says no, I am your father.
Speaker 1:Okay. Well, fuck me then Fake fan, anyway, fake fan.
Speaker 4:Anyway, yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway. Actually, my favorite line is I ate his liver with fava beans and a nice canteen.
Speaker 4:There it is, yes, yes, that's my favorite.
Speaker 2:He was a shitty flute player, right Like. That's literally why he ate this guy because he played flute bad.
Speaker 4:Yep, yep. That's exactly why he fucked up the one note.
Speaker 2:He goes to an orchestra and he's like listening, and this guy fucks up a note. So he invites them all to dinner and just eats one of them. Yep, the one who fucked up. He's a man of culture, Brooke.
Speaker 3:I love him for that honestly, he's ridding the prince of the untalented.
Speaker 4:I think my favorite line is when it's in their first meeting and she's walking down that hallway and there's all the horrendous, there's the other, absolutely horrendous people and there's the one guy who just goes right.
Speaker 4:And so there's that. And so hannibal asks her something. I forget how it is, how it comes up, but she says that. She says with her absolutely horrendous voice just I can smell your cunt, is like how she fucking tells him and he, just he makes a face like oh, and he like lifts his head up like towards the holes in the window. She goes like you literally go well, I for one cannot. So that's relief. I was like what the fuck? That's my favorite fucking line, holy shit, you know know.
Speaker 1:It's so great, it's so fucking great. But you know, hannibal was so angry that that guy said that and then when he threw the stuff on her that he psychologically tortured himself into killing himself.
Speaker 4:Yep.
Speaker 2:If he wanted to, he would, ladies Right.
Speaker 4:It just oh, my goodness. So then the fact that and once again it just goes to show the true tell of an amazing actor is how well they can play a crazy person and the fact that hopkins had said that his inspiration, people asked was like oh, which serial killer did you read up on? And think like, and so on and so forth. He goes like oh, did you read up on Dahmer Gacy, or whatever. And he goes like well, no, because they're not like that. He's his own person, he's his own thing, and so on and so forth. But I just thought that he was. He's a human embodiment of the cross between a crocodile and a spider. Oh, what the fuck, that is what that man said. He said I tried to if a human had the mental and physical capabilities of a crocodile and a spider. That is what I did, and I was like this man is completely insane and I am so for it.
Speaker 4:And then fast forward a few years and marvel calls me, says hey, you want to play odin? And he said that sounds lovely, like what's going on, like I absolutely love it, that's just the how did you play such a crazy person?
Speaker 2:step one, I'm crazy who knew.
Speaker 4:Honorable mention to. Honorable mention to mads migelson for the hannibal show, though he's the only person that is anthony hopkins equal for that character I liked, I liked the guy in hannibal rising too, though I liked that guy I liked the movie. I just, yes, it's something about it felt and like red dragon was pretty good, but also very you didn't like red dragon yeah I was so mad when that that series got canceled, so mad like there
Speaker 4:was so much they could have done with that yeah, and plus the fact that mads nicholson is on my hear me out list, like hear me out, hear me out, hear me out.
Speaker 2:My hear me out is Hannibal Lecter.
Speaker 3:And Pyramid Head. That's not a hear me out, I don't need to explain myself with that one.
Speaker 4:Okay, so Hear me out. The genre of zombies in the zombie movies. None of them would exist, even my personal favorite, shaun of the Dead. None of them would be a thing without Night of the Living Dead.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:People think it was the first zombie movie. It was not the first zombie movie. I think the first one was White Zombie. It's like 1930s. I think it was a silent movie. It doesn't matter. Night of the Living Dead is the blueprint of the zombie movie. That's where we got the infamous brains and, like the, the, the, no pun intended, but the dead eyes.
Speaker 4:We're coming to get you, barbara exactly, exactly so much of that that is associated with the zombie, with with the worms and with the brain coming out and them literally saying brains and just kind of moving slowly with their arms out and that sloshing back and forth. The horde, the actual terror, the scratch, the bite. There's nothing you can do and there's one, but then there's just so many of them. The one shot that always stands out to me is just the arm coming out of the ground and literally crawling out of the grave. Same thing. It has set its place in pop culture for decades. I would say that it's going to for us for centuries. It will the same.
Speaker 4:How many movies can you think of of that? The arm reaching out of the grave or breaking through from the ground and so on and so forth. It, that shot, is direct reference to night of the living dead and it's I mean yeah, there's not much more on the list is the fact that it it is. It is the tolkien of the zombie genre. We wouldn't have the fantasy genre without tolkien. We would not have the zombie genre without night of the living dead.
Speaker 2:There's no way way, I like Night of the Living Dead just fine. It's a great movie. They did a lot with what they had and I think like it shows a lot for what you can do with practical effects and things like that. It's the second or the third one that sticks in my brain, though, with the dogs that are cut in half that turn into zombies.
Speaker 4:I just appreciate that. The second one. They're like flop. The second one came out. The second one came out quite a few years I think it was like mid 70s. It got the bigger budget. It had the name behind it, that one was in color and so, okay, we can make shit over the top now because we have. We have the movies that we have to keep up with. I want to say it was oh no, no, hellraiser came out in the 80s, whatever. There was other gorier movies that they had to keep up with and that's what the people wanted. They wanted that grotesque. Like I said, the second one gave us Tar man and the Dogs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, tar man and the Dogs, that's a cool band name.
Speaker 4:That's a fucked up band name Tar man and the Dogs.
Speaker 2:Tar man and the Dogs. We're howling tonight, boys.
Speaker 4:No, it's just brains, that's. It sounds like a metal band. No, it's like a.
Speaker 2:It's like an indie song it's like a soft indie rock band, you know, okay. So one thing about the second one that I thought was cool was they actually had a scene where they have a zombie strapped to the table and they're like, what the fuck do you guys want? And she's like we're literally just in so much pain that eating you guys is the only thing that makes it not hurt anymore. Yeah, pretty much pretty much feel so bad for it you do zombies can talk.
Speaker 4:This one did yeah, wow yeah, well, I don't remember shit. Does she talk or is this like some type of just like a weird?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, it's not like a full-blown conversation like that one, but essentially the zombies are different in this one because the way it spreads in this is they literally burn one of the bodies from the first one and the smoke goes into the clouds and seeds like zombie rain, yep, and when it rains, the people get rained on, turn into zombies and like the graveyard. People come to life like it's the whole thing. The movie's fucked up, but night of the living dead is instant classic.
Speaker 4:You're absolutely right yeah, oh yeah, so the shit. Why did I forget about that zombie rain, shit? But yeah, no, yeah, it's like what is it? Because we just they, they just haven't. Um, she more or less explains to them, is that there is just like a a never-ending hunger and there's like just a never-ending pain, and it comes from hunger. They're not even like angry or rage, they're literally just hungry, and eating them is the only thing that satisfies the satiates, it makes it all go away until it doesn't, and so sorry, but you know I don't want to feel in pain and you work faster than aspirin, so tough shit.
Speaker 3:I wonder why zombies never get fat.
Speaker 2:I think she also talks about like the fact that their blood isn't moving, and it's like really painful on the body, like their organs aren't functioning, and that's painful on the body. It's like, yeah, it's like a whole thing, yeah, the rest of the body is dead, the rest of their body is dead, and that works.
Speaker 4:There's no blood circulation, so they're not really digesting the food or breaking it down, it's just the actual physical um gnawing and kneading and so like. There's like almost no nutrients being absorbed, because the rest of the only thing that's working is their brain.
Speaker 3:Is the brain the one part?
Speaker 4:yeah, it's like their motor functions and their need to eat exactly so, like they feel hungry, though they never feel full. So that's why they're always doing it. Yeah, it does take, it gives. Yeah, it makes you feel very, very bad for zombies. It really does. And then you know, then there's like a horde of them and they try to eat you and your dog and you're like you know what you and your half dog I don't care how bad I feel for you, I don't want to get eaten. Define Never mind Jesus.
Speaker 3:Okay, I did not save the best for last. However, I did save my most controversial for last. I will want to talk about the Evil Dead remake the 2013 one.
Speaker 3:That movie is so fucking metal. I know a lot of people hate it. They're like this is not as good as the original one. Whatever remakes always get shit on. But I picked this movie because I think that the graphics, the makeup, the cgi, everything about how the movie was made is so fucking horrifying. It scares the shit out of me every single time I watch it. If I actually want to get scared, I will literally watch that movie because it's awful. It's so scary, and not only that, but like the movie's kind of short but so much happens in it in such a small period of time that it seems so long, because it's just like shock factor after shock factor after shock factor, like it's a crazy movie and a lot of people hate on it.
Speaker 4:And I don shock factor, like it's a crazy movie and a lot of people hate on it, and I don't think it deserves to get hated on, absolutely not. There's only one remake that I think is that is actual dog shit, um, and it ain't that one. I, I think it's just as good. I think it's just as good, um, different, absolutely um, but I think I, I personally, would put it right on par with the original Evil Dead. And you're right, I think the one scene in that movie that sticks out with me is what the hell is her name when she's trying to climb back up from the basement and it's just like her head sandwiched between the door and the floor.
Speaker 4:Oh, my god the voice, whatever fucking voice effect they put on her. Yeah, nightmares, absolute nightmares, Chilling on my spine.
Speaker 3:Honestly, like literally, I'm getting like flashes of that movie in my brain right now and I'm like, oh, like, I'm actually horrified.
Speaker 4:And like they go running outside and it is literally raining blood outside.
Speaker 3:The movie's so.
Speaker 4:God, that movie's so goddamn metal. It's awesome.
Speaker 3:It's a crazy movie. Or like she's like in the shower and she like turns the the water all the way up and she's like loving that. It's like burning her skin because she's just so fucking possessed yeah, amazing movie, that movie I have a weird relationship to these movies.
Speaker 2:I was a like a theater nerd and one year we did ash versus evil dead in my theater and I was a big like effects person and my job for that was literally to just dump buckets of blood down on people. Like literally I was like mixing buckets backstage, like I needed like 20 before we could go on oh my god, I actually wish I saw that it was very carrie. I was seriously like up in their rafters with buckets, like waiting for my cues I've not seen ash versus evil dead.
Speaker 3:I feel like I need to watch it. It's a play. It's a play, but they did like a netflix tv show too about it, I think I think yeah, they did yep, very interesting.
Speaker 2:That leaves you if I get hate for any of them, it's gonna be this one. I'm already, I can already hear it. Yep, very interesting, becca. That leaves you. If I get hate for any of them, it's going to be this one. I can already hear it. Not a horror movie, lake Placid, not a horror movie?
Speaker 1:Don't tell me Lake.
Speaker 2:Placid isn't a horror movie. I won't stand for it.
Speaker 4:That's got a big mass on it.
Speaker 2:If you're going, to comment down below that this movie isn't scary. I'm going to challenge you to tag me, me in a video of you rolling up your khakis and piggy dipping in the everglades for four hours. Murky water is scary. Big, scaly people, hungry crocodiles are fucking scary. It's an instinctual fear and I think that this movie does a really good job of showing it. Um, basically, we have a surge of reptile aggression and, long story short, we find out that betty white, the husband murderer, has been feeding crocodiles and encouraging their naughty behavior. So it's between the chemistry of the cast and the way these crocodiles seem to have almost expert timing, whether it's foiling their plans or being really fucking funny themselves. It checks all the boxes. It's casting chemistry, realistic plot. It's campy, but I don't think that campy is a flaw. I think that you can be cheesy, charming and chilling, and Lake Placid is that Am.
Speaker 4:I Lake Placid.
Speaker 2:I fucking wish you were Lake Placid.
Speaker 3:I've never seen Lake Placid, but I did a quick little Google search and it does say it is a horror film. Hell, yeah, yeah. So you are right, it's so good. Hell, yeah, yeah so you are right.
Speaker 2:It's so good. I love it. I recommend it. There's this guy that's supposed to be like an expert on catching crocodiles and all he does is get trapped in the trap the whole time. Every single time, every single time it's like a second plot device.
Speaker 1:He's always getting caught in the trap. And I fucking love the end where you know Betty's sitting on the end of the pier and there's three little babies coming to get their little meal. It's like, yeah, betty White, iconic.
Speaker 4:Great movie.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 4:I absolutely love it, you know? Hell yeah, anyone who says that movie's not a horror movie can eat all the dicks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my husband beat me, so I killed him Honestly.
Speaker 3:Betty White, whatever you decide to do, he's not a horror movie. Can like yeah, my husband beat me so I killed him. Honestly, betty white, whatever you decide to do, I'm not a wood chipper and gave him to the crocodile probably didn't even have to, uh, put him in the wood chipper before feeding him to the crocodiles. I don't know why she, she chewed. She got them all chewed up for them like a little like wet food.
Speaker 4:It's like crocodile wet food it's like alpo, alpo crocodile, oh shit, what did you? What'd you think of the other, like four or five, that they made?
Speaker 2:I don't acknowledge that those ones exist. Lake placid the original is the one that I watched fair enough, are they good? Huh, have you watched them? Oh, absolutely, are they good fuck?
Speaker 4:no, thank you, they might as well, they might as well be comedies, like I think they are bad, like I think they were made as bad as they are on purpose.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, kind of like Sharknado.
Speaker 4:Yeah yeah, sharknado doesn't take itself serious but like. But like you know there wasn't like. Like Lake Placid takes itself serious like a horror. It's got a couple of funny bits, but like it takes itself serious as a horror film. And then the second one to like, the fifth one or the sixth one. It's just, yeah, it's just shtick and satire and like jesus, there's been that many I, yeah, I think there's lake placid two, three, and then they started kind of.
Speaker 4:Then there was like the final chapter and like something else, and then they tried to do like a, a reboot or remake. That tried to take itself serious like legacy or like origins or whatever the hell it was.
Speaker 1:Oh my god games like dangerous oh my god, the cabela's shooting range games love most dangerous hunt so much like.
Speaker 3:Please let me play Most Dangerous Hunt right now.
Speaker 4:I need to play it, okay, so.
Speaker 2:Guys, this has been our Movies that Held Up Surprisingly Well podcast, specifically horror movies. Once again, we were joined by the non-birthday boy, kyle, angie and my buddy Brooke. Once again, happy birthday to theresa and thank you everybody. If you enjoyed this, please make sure you give us a comment down below rate and subscribe wherever you get podcasts, and remember we come out with a new episode every single monday and if you don't watch it, I'm coming for you she's coming for you, like the horror movie characters will come for you.
Speaker 3:No, I meant.
Speaker 2:I meant the other way, oh, oh.
Speaker 1:We don't care if you fucking listen to this or not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't give a fuck if you listen, alright.
Speaker 3:Goodbye my love, bye, bye.
Speaker 1:It's time for you to say goodbye, Kyle.
Speaker 4:Bye Kyle.
Speaker 1:Good job, kyle Good job, kyle, good job.
