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The Legend of Sleepy Hollow: Bone Whips and Jack-o'-Lanterns
What makes a headless ghost rider one of America's most beloved folk tales? Is it the mystery, the history, or something deeper that connects us to our cultural roots?
Join Kyle as he takes us on a journey through the fog-shrouded western woods of Sleepy Hollow, sharing his passionate connection to Washington Irving's classic American ghost story. Growing up just an hour from the actual town of Sleepy Hollow, Kyle reveals why this particular tale has haunted his imagination since childhood and why its ambiguous ending continues to captivate audiences centuries later.
From Washington Irving's original text to Tim Burton's gothic film adaptation starring Johnny Depp, we examine how different versions of the tale have evolved while maintaining the core elements that make the Headless Horseman such an enduring figure in American folklore. Kyle shares personal anecdotes about visiting the real Sleepy Hollow and why these local legends create such a powerful sense of home and belonging.
Whether you're a longtime fan of the tale or discovering it for the first time, this episode offers a perfect blend of historical context, cultural analysis, and pure appreciation for one of America's most iconic ghost stories. Listen now and you might find yourself planning an autumn trip to Sleepy Hollow – just be sure to cross the bridge before nightfall!
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He's like Cremonius Bob he just likes killing people and that's just his thing. Hear me out. Have you tried decapitating somebody so? You like headless ghost riders. You like people with no head, people with a giant pyramid for a head. You like fish that are voiced by Willem Dafoe. This guy, he just loves decapitating. He just loves decapitation.
Speaker 2:Sometimes it's just warranted, it's needed.
Speaker 1:Exactly loves decapitation. Sometimes it's just warranted, it's needed it exactly.
Speaker 1:You know, we've knowna lot of steam that way, yeah, oh yeah, we've known a couple people, yeah can you imagine that, just like, I'm just picturing him like fucking galloping on a horse, I'm just and then like fucking bam, there goes a head and that shit just goes going, going and gone. And then you just see, like the body, just the body, just like, and you just see steam come out of like the area where his head should be. It just smoke comes from the shoulders, just oh. And then he just like, like trots, just trots on home, just the coconuts.
Speaker 2:He's just like God. I needed that.
Speaker 1:Exactly, god damn it.
Speaker 2:Before we begin today's episode, we would like to share a quick disclaimer. The views, opinions and statements expressed by the hosts and guests on this podcast are their own personal views and are provided in their own capacity. All content is editorial, opinion-based and intended for entertainment purposes only.
Speaker 1:Listener, discretion is advised. For some reason can't tell the difference between white and brown gravy, at least angie, not the gravy always, always don't bring.
Speaker 2:Don't bring that up. We'll be here for an hour debating gravy hi how you doing, you doing good, that's yeah, I'm doing good. Yeah, I'm well. You know the next two weeks are going to be fantastic for me and you know why. Countdown to sleep token no see, I think the next two weeks would be a living fucking hell for you, honestly well, I mean, the anxiety is there and I'm already like wanting to start to pack because I'm like a preparer, like I want an itinerary yeah, like I'm so yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, itinerary, go there, fuck shit up, go home, that's it.
Speaker 2:That's it, and that's pretty much. It's exactly. It's a it's a quick in and out kind of trip.
Speaker 1:Story of my life. Anywho, I'm not necessarily sure when this episode is going to air. I just know that, at least for me and I know for you, maybe to some of our listeners too spooky season is in like full swing that we haven't decorated yet. Still life has been way too crazy and I am way the f behind on it. Um, yes, week season full is in full swing. So I figured it was about time to say my favorite scary story or spooky story, urban legend, wherever it classifies under tim burton movie. Um, being a new england boy, I'm talking about the legend of sleepy hollow.
Speaker 2:Um, yes, right, it's just, I love this story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is great I'm gonna be so honest though, like sometimes when people have a story like I can only assume if you listen to our episode before you know. If you listen to one of our more previous episodes, we know one of the reasons why you love mothman so much. But I feel like why mothman kind of resonates with you. It's not just that honky tonk but don't go down, but like west virginia, right, like it's kind of like a west virginian right, so it's very homey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so I don't really know 100 what it is for me, because Sleepy Hollow's in New York. I was born and raised in Connecticut, so home field advantage ain't there. I don't know, it's just I just I love the story just so much and the movie is one of my favorite movies. Fuck it, I just love it. So screw you. I don't need a reason, I just like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Hey, like it. Yeah hey, sometimes you just like what you like. That's right. Don't yuck my yum anyhow. So for those of you who don't know the legend of sleepy hollow, I'm gonna do an incredibly short, bastardized version of it and we'll kind of see how the night goes. Anyway, picture this upstate new york, the 1920s. No, that's the wrong episode. Upstate New York, the late 1700s. Ichabod Crane. He's a math teacher, he's a scholar of sorts, I want to say he's a math teacher. He's ending up to a cozy little Dutch settlement in upstate New York, sleepy Hollow, to win the heart of the very rich farmer's daughter. Oh gosh, katrina. Katrina Van Tassel. See the Van Tassel of.
Speaker 2:Angara.
Speaker 1:The Dutch chick, so he moseys on his way up there. He's there for something. It's like a week Dude's up there and the whole time he's up there, the local town frat boy. Abraham Bones is the dude's name, but he goes by.
Speaker 2:Brom.
Speaker 1:Brom Bones. That's the only other name that would be acceptable for the guy from Police Academy. It's Brom Bones, right? Like that's the only other name that would be acceptable for the guy from police academy. It's brahm bones, right? Um, he's. He's just kind of like the. He's, he's the. He's the local rat, scally, and everyone like kind of looks up to him, think of him like a lot. He's not as toxic and horrible as gaston, but he's got a lot of similar traits. He's very handsome everyone you know. He's just the big strong, similar traits.
Speaker 1:He's very handsome everyone you know he's just the big strong guy and he's kind of a douche either way, and he's kind of picking on ichabod crane because he's this, you know, as described, scrawny, nerd, nerd. So he's just kind of giving him crap throughout the week. Well, it's like the last, it's like it's like friday night. They have like the harvest party, because it's all october and spooky times around there. They're having the harvest party and that's when ichabod's gonna make his his big move on, uh katrina, and he gets shot down. She and he was like all right, defeated and a serious case of blue balls. He, he's going to head on home. Well, on his ride home he encounters the legendary, the very spooky, greatest little urban legend, mythical monster creature, peoples, my humble opinion, the Headless Horseman. Just so frick, just character design alone. Right there, you gotta love it. I mean, it's a giant black horse, glowing red eyes, and he's just he's. He's a man without a head, scary as all hell, so scary, hence the name headless horseman, either way. So Ichabod takes off like a bat out of hell and now he's being chased down through the western woods by the Headless Horseman and he's just trying to run and run and run and get away. Yada, yada, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:Well, in this story which is actually which I probably should have said earlier that this is all according to the first written telling of the story. This story is about as old as the 1700s. It's not older than that. But the very first writings I don't remember when don't quote me on that one, I forgot when it was written. Washington Irving is the first written tellings of the story. So in that one the Headless horseman has a sword and a jack-o'-lantern and the jack-o'-lantern is supposed to represent his horde. That he takes and he throws it and that is what knocks the people's heads off. And he takes heads in revenge because his was taken off by a cannonball in the revolutionary war, because he was like a mercenary of some sort, right that's the whole.
Speaker 1:Thing but he can't actually enter the city of Sleepy Hollow. He stopped at the bridge I forget the name of the bridge, but he can make it all the way, just right there to the bridge. He can't cross the river and actually into the town, to the village. He only stays in the western woods. If you're in the woods you're fucked. Get out of the woods, get across the bridge. All the all the oxen free. He made it the base, so he knows this. He's turned around. He's fucking zooming back, zooming back, zooming back, zooming back, zooming back. He thinks he's safe on the bridge. He just gets to the bridge. Well, the horseman can't cross the bridge, but the jack-o'-lantern can. As the goes, the only thing that's seen the next day is a smashed pumpkin. Oh, you know, man missed opportunity. It was like the only thing that we can see is a grunge alt-ban from the 90s.
Speaker 2:I was just about to make that reference.
Speaker 1:It was right there. So there's a smashed pumpkin Ichabod Crane's horse, but no one saw Ichabod Crane, so he just disappeared. So obviously people were like the horseman got him. The non-believers of the horseman Said he just hauled ass back to Connecticut. Ichabod Crane from Connecticut, ct. He just hauled ass back to connecticut, right? Ichabod crane from connecticut, um, he just hauled us back there, no one knows. At the same time, though, it is still a story. What do you believe happened? Insert. Creepy laugh there right.
Speaker 2:Are you asking me what do I think happened to you? Know, well, yeah go ahead.
Speaker 1:What do you think happened to a fictional character in an urban legend?
Speaker 2:I mean, I think you know, back then that was, you know the Grimm's fairy tales were probably around, maybe beforehand or around that time, but you know. So I think, probably that In the in the tale in my mind, yeah, ichabod Met his demise, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, ichabod met his demise. Oh yeah, like dude's dead as shit yeah. He's dead, as his chances were with Katrina Like dead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:But, like I said, I think that's one of the things that I like about it so much. I remember it being one of the first stories that I heard as a kid that had like that open-ended you don't know, like that cliffhanger, like there's nothing else like. Even like scary stories, they had an ending like oh, and then the ghost got the person and then they were fucking dead or the you know the hero saved the day. There was always an ending to the story. This was the first one that was just like and no one knows. So I was like, but why?
Speaker 2:anyhow, right, yeah, um yeah, it's just. It's just something about that at all exactly.
Speaker 1:It's like there's no way he did it. It almost made like six-year-old me what? And then, dude, when I found out the sleepy hollow was an actual place and it was only like, it was like just over an hour away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I grew up just over an hour away from sleepy hollow oh, wow it's closer than new york city, so it's like little six-year-old me was just like I gotta go see what happened because like 1700s, not that long ago, it's only the night, it's only the late 1900s. What's 200 years? I had no concept of time.
Speaker 1:I'm in my 30s I still have no concept of time, but still I was like I gotta go do my own investigation, but I digress, so like that's, that's the, the, a very shortened, bastardized version of the first written telling of this story. Like i's old and old and old, the one thing that is constant throughout them all is the Headless Horsemen. It's like Ichabod Crane and the Van Tassels and the Van Garrets and Brom Bones and all that. They all showed up in this telling, much older accounts and tellings of everyone who heard the tale, heard the tale, heard the tale, so on kind of stuff, all word of mouth.
Speaker 1:Um, the headless horseman is 99, always the same. He was a mercenary during the revolutionary war and was decapitated somehow, somehow homie and got a dome piece and he has, he has, he has. The jack-o'-lantern is his thing, he's got the sword and the big evil. So he's always the same, um, which is kind of fun, because the other thing that I find kind of fun with that too is that it also just kind of goes to show how this is proclaimed, as you know, along with the legend of sleepy hollow, falls relatively the same category as, like Paul Bunyan, john Henry, johnny Appleseed, american folklore.
Speaker 1:These are very American stories, but you can't help but notice the similarities in um from uh. You know these, these were all. These were stories that were all told by immigrants because of the 1700s, you know, whatever it's still, there's still a lot of immigrants coming over of all these different. So the headless horseman is eerily similar to um, one of the more famous uh urban legends monsters, cryptids, whatever, whatever category falls under. From ireland, um, I believe it's the uh, the doula hand, the doula han, um, but depending on whether it was celtic or gaelic, it looks like doula han. But you know, it probably is pronounced chevelle, niston or whatever the fuck you ever seen like gaelic words like it's the worst you've ever seen the name sirsha, like spelled out, or the name teague spelled out, there's like a j and a backwards q for like no fucking reason.
Speaker 1:Anyhow, it's my heritage, I can say that anyhow, uh, but, but no, but. But the doula hand is, you know, like I said, that's, that's the one I'm most familiar with, like I said, from the irish backgrounds, where it was a headless horseman where instead of a jack-o'-lantern or sword he had a fucking whip that was a spine and he would use that. He would use that to like wrap around the throat, to like rip heads off and shit like that one. And he said to be like like bad things, of like the end of you know the end of time. He's, he's like a grim reaper or so on, so forth. So he's symbolized with death and just a bad omen kind of thing, but he's fucking metal as all hell.
Speaker 2:He's so metal yeah, I was just thinking he might be my new.
Speaker 1:Hear me out, but go ahead oh yeah, no, just yeah, go ahead, do yeah, yeah, no, just yeah, go ahead, do some doodle searching right now. Yeah, like, exactly like. Think of the Headless Horseman. Which is the Headless Horseman he's on I think it's some depictions he's on a skeletal horse, but either way, yeah, it's like a fucking, it's like a six foot or like a seven foot whip. That's just a human spine, awesome, anyhow. So retellings of the story of his, his, um, you type it away googling him, right, I am, I did, yeah, no sorry, I absolutely, and it's funny because the the very first image that comes up is exactly what you described that is, absolutely metal, as so fucking metal.
Speaker 1:right, it's so cool. Anywho, where was I? Oh yeah, a new Hear Me.
Speaker 2:Out has been birthed this day.
Speaker 1:Go ahead. Xbox Achievement unlocked New. Hear Me Out. Oh my gosh. Hey, if you need a therapist, I got a good one, I'll send you a card?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I probably should look into that, but jesus, it might, it might make the time. Pals happy, but go ahead.
Speaker 1:What if you haven't? Never mind, anyhow. So his motives are always and okay, his action is always the same. Motives are different, but his actions are the same. Actions are he's just chopping your fucking head off. Um, motives are. Reasonings of why he's taking heads is always different. One is to replace his. He's looking for his uh. One is to he's like harmonious bob, he just likes killing people and that's, that's just his thing. That's the hear me out. Have you tried decapitating somebody? So you like headless ghostwriters, you like people with no head, people with a giant pyramid for a head. You like fish that are voiced by willem dafoe. This guy, he just loves decapitating, he just loves decapitation.
Speaker 2:You know there's just warranted, it's needed it exactly.
Speaker 1:You know, we've known a lot of steam that needed. Exactly. We've known a couple of people.
Speaker 2:I bet he blows off a lot of steam that way. Oh yeah, we've known a couple people, yeah.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine that I'm just picturing him fucking galloping on a horse, I'm just, and then fucking bam, there goes a head, and that shit just goes going, going and gone. And then you just see, like the body, just the body, just like, and you just see steam come out of like the area where his head should be. It just smoke comes from their shoulders, just oh. And then he just like, like trots, just trots on home, just the coconuts he's just like god.
Speaker 2:God, I needed that. Exactly, god damn it but imagine I mean seriously, though imagine the sound a whip made out of a spine would sound like you got the whip sound, but you got the bones clinking against each other. I mean what is terrifying.
Speaker 1:Listen, I've seen the videos. Yes, yeah, I'm sure the word you want to use is terrifying. I'm sure.
Speaker 2:No, okay, aside from that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I think you're getting the word terrifying and tantalizing mixed up there.
Speaker 2:It always happens. I need to get those words figured out. But just okay, imagine okay. You're that six-year-old child in Ireland in the 1500s, in the 1500s, and you're hearing this story about a bone whip and a guy without a head.
Speaker 1:That had to be absolutely terrifying for children I mean so was the potato famine, but they turned out okay oh no, not the potato famine. Like I said, it's my heritage, I can make these jokes, it's okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, same, but okay all seriousness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that has got to be absolutely yeah, no pun intended, that's got to be fucking bone chilling. Like that's fucking creepy Like I've seen the videos of Jacques Zewieiwipia with, like his metal whip and I'm sure everyone else is like, oh my pants, feel funny? He goes yeah, mine do, because I just shit myself like that's scary enough, is a metal whip yeah, a bone, a bone whip? Yeah, no thanks. No thanks, just I'll. Just, I'll see myself out, and by out I mean yeah off a bridge. Thank you very much yeah, yeah, 100.
Speaker 2:Oh, imagine, imagine like being in battle. You know like I forget what what was the, what was the like the? Oh, I want to say like the clan wars that they had in ireland. But just, you know, like that primitive battle, you know that they, you know, and then, yeah, then all of a sudden, you know, you just see something like that, charging, that proof yeah, no I think I'd fall on a sword I think, I think, I would just sword, then get bone whipped yeah, yeah, as tantalizing as
Speaker 2:like that part of that part of my brain is like oh, you know, that truly is terrifying yeah, that's.
Speaker 1:That's what we call nightmare fuel in the real world. So anyhow, I digress, uh. But then my personal favorite telling of the stories, it's just because it's timber and it's just because it's johnny depp and I love them both. Um, but is is the tim burton movie of sleepy hollow, which first off when was the? Last time you watched that movie oh, man, it's probably.
Speaker 2:Oh I, I want to say it's been this year probably, like maybe january, hell, maybe even december, I don't know it's it's the perfect christmas movie.
Speaker 1:For sure there's some snow, so it it counts as a Christmas movie in my eyes.
Speaker 2:Hey, you know, Die Hard's a Christmas movie. This can be a Christmas movie too.
Speaker 1:Listen, you're getting ahead of us. That's another episode we are going to do in December. Die Hard is a fucking Christmas movie, but yeah. But First off the fucking cast in that movie, stacked like oh, yeah, the one person I always forget that's in that movie is fucking emperor palpatine. Always forget he's in that movie. I watch it at least two or three times a year.
Speaker 1:I forget every fucking time. Now, maybe it's because I'm so shocked by that and it doesn't look like Emperor Palpatine. Maybe it's the traumatic brain injuries I've had. Maybe it's the 14 concussions I've had. Either way, I never remember he's in that fucking movie and every time I see him I'm like son of a bitch and like half the other people.
Speaker 1:The the funny thing. Spoiler alert I haven't seeing the movie. My favorite part in that movie is after he has his first encounter with the headless horseman and he's like terrified in his bed. It was a headless horseman. And the guy who played the second, albus dumbledore, is approaching him and is telling him yes, we know that it was a horseman, it was a dead one without a head. Yes, we know that, that's what we've been telling you, but it was a headless horseman. Like he's just repeating it, he goes like yes, we, we, we fucking told you you didn't listen. It is. I piss myself laughing every fucking time.
Speaker 1:It's so funny it was a headless horseman. Yes, I know that. No, it was a horseman a I did one Headless. Yes, that's what we said. He's like so like and Either way, and Christopher Walken is the headless horseman.
Speaker 2:He has three lines.
Speaker 1:in the whole movie he makes the same noise that Warrior does.
Speaker 2:That's the only thing he says. The whole movie he has like like razor teeth, his teeth, his teeth, were he shaved his teeth.
Speaker 1:So that's, that's another one of. So that's what's great about that movie is that it takes like five or six different um tellings of the legend of sleepy hollow, and he, he makes it, he makes it his own and he kind of makes it pretty cohesive. Um, so he wrote that he was a german mercenary um from the uh uh in the the revolution, and exactly that he was just obsessed with killing. Like after a while he just stopped taking. He stopped taking money. He was like, just let me kill. And they stopped paying him. They wouldn't let me kill him, the war was over. So then he just stopped taking money. He was like, just let me kill. And they stopped paying him. They wouldn't let him kill him, the war was over. So then he just started just killing everyone. So he was killing the British, killing the red people, he was killing the blue people. He didn't give a shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And yeah, they were like you know what? We need to fucking kill him. So then Wallop goes to the head with his own sword, bury him in the woods that haunted, super cool Tim Burton tree that's in every movie. Then he comes back.
Speaker 1:He comes back every night just to take his, because his was taken, but he can be like commanded and all of that kind of fun shit. So that's three different stories right there. It and all of that kind of fun shit. So that's three different stories right there. Um, it's just really like I said, it's just it's cool because you get like actual visual representation of it. Like as much of an imagination I have, it can only get me so far, so I need actual visuals, so like if you actually make like a movie or a tv show I'm gonna see and I'm going to enjoy it more than any of the books.
Speaker 1:Sorry, book peoples out there, aka readers, but um, it's just. I mean, like I said, and plus, you know not to sound too biased, but Johnny Depp's the greatest actor to ever walk the face of the earth, Don't fucking at me. So the fact that he's in it, it also just wins. He's so good in that, pretty much everything that he does well, yeah, yeah, yeah, the man doesn't miss yeah, not when he is a um ichabod crane.
Speaker 1:He's not a teacher, he's a, he's a detective and he's kind of like the one that like no oh, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, he's like, oh, like one of the first like forensics and also the kind of fun stuff, and he like gets sent up there because, like everyone in the, everywhere he's in new york city, everyone in new york city is like fed up with his shit and they're just like all right, just just get him out of our hair, just send him up there, and maybe he'll die or he'll whatever. Just he'll be out of our, he'll stop bothering us. You can go bother them for a little bit am I misremembering or was it like there were?
Speaker 2:there were people going missing in the village or something, and so he was there to to like, investigate, like what's happening with the disappearances oh, he was there.
Speaker 1:He was there to investigate the murders. He was there to investigate the murders. He was there to investigate the murders because people are just turning up headless. And you know, like I said, they're just a Dutch settlement up the fucking Hudson and so they don't have police, let alone detectives. So they just send one from New York City with his fancy pants salsa.
Speaker 2:New York City with his fancy pants salsa New York City.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, go ahead. And because they're like motherfuckers are dying up there, then they're all losing their heads. We don't know why. Go find out and leave us alone. That's what he did. But yeah, we won't give it away, in case somehow someone hasn't seen this fucking movie but like the movie's almost 30 years old. Love that goddamn movie. Anyhow, yeah, sleepy Hollow, it's cool stuff, man. Boo eh, boo, boo eh. I would try to go.
Speaker 2:At least I'd try to go like once a year, to go like once a year, at least, just like a little bit yeah, I was gonna add like you probably went a lot, because I know I mean you being that close, I would think in like the passion that you have for that story you, probably with my friends, because my parents, my parents, couldn't be bothered.
Speaker 1:Worth a shit to go.
Speaker 2:They were like we're not fucking driving an hour for you to go. So is the town. Is it one of these towns that they've played into the story?
Speaker 1:It's not like Salem. It's not like Salem, not like salem. It's not. It's not like salem. It's not like roswell, where there's like a famous story or famous bits there, so it becomes the entire personality of the town.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't get me wrong it's there and there's themed stuff around there and there is. You know, there is still the. You know the graveyard from there is still from the 1700s, is still there. The church is still there. Like I said, sleepy Hollow is a real place. There was real people who lived there. That bridge is still there. The western woods there's nothing in the western woods. It is a creepy fucking upstate. New york, new england woods it's. It's just wasn't touched. You know the story was right there is.
Speaker 1:There is the actual telling stories that, like the, the belief of the headless horseman, is still a thing, like the belief that the you know the spooky ghost story that you tell the kids to scare them it's still a real thing. So there are people who believe that the woods are haunted in, that they don't go in there. That's why it wasn't touched, because people for the longest time were genuinely afraid to develop that that they're going to piss off other spirits, so they never did anything. And then now it's like I think it's protected. The western woods is actually protected as it's like it's. I think it's protected like. The western woods is actually like, protected as like uh, it's like a wildlife reserve now okay, so.
Speaker 1:So it can't be touched, it can't be demolished, so there is that bit to it, but it's not like salem, where, like salem's whole thing is being salem right um, it's, it's not like that, but I mean, around halloween you definitely get a little more there's.
Speaker 1:There's a little extra to it, for sure, but um, yeah, that's it's. It's, it's fairly niche. So that's why my family was like no, I was like like it would have been more. It would have been easier to convince them to go to salem than to go to sleepy hollow, because at least in salem there is like there is like the actual, you know there's the tour you can do. There's like you know there's the witch house and you can see the hocus, pocus, fucking school and house and shit.
Speaker 1:Like there's actual stuff you can go and see and do in Salem, massachusetts that you can actually spend a day Sleepy Hollow is you have to like find friends who were just as excited and happy and obsessed with it as I was? That's awesome, I'd like to go.
Speaker 2:I'd like to. I'd like to go and see that place. Yeah, definitely go in the definitely go in the fall.
Speaker 1:Now, maybe bias because I'm from there, but um, you know I've been in the midwest a couple years now. Nothing beats new england in the fall. You know this. But yeah, this, uh, yeah, you know this. Like I said, the story, the movie, something about somehow, something about it just reminds me of home yeah I, I do. I do kind of get this kind of home feeling with it, like you know, because urban legends are urban legends are always fun, you know.
Speaker 1:I you like them more than you know I. You tend to. People tend to like them more than myths, unless the monsters are really fucking cool Because there's a supernatural element to them. They're more human, if you will. They're more just actual stories rather than these great epics like plenty of mythology is.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So same thing, so you can believe it more, you can buy into it more, you can understand it more, because you can relate to it more, because you know Nebuchadnezzar was just some schmuck and then he, you know, in the movie he goes up against against you know this supernatural entity and whatnot. So yeah, like I said, you know the fact that takes place in new england. Yeah, it's just, it's very, it's very homey for me yeah, I can see that, I get it.
Speaker 2:I get it, you know, because, like, I think you know to be serious about like mothman. You know, like that's part of the reason why I love the story and why I felt so passionate about wanting to do like the Mothman episode is because the story and the legend was so much more than just Mothman, because there were just so many layers. It's like ingrained now into like it's part of West Virginia, lore, you know it's. It's like ingrained now into like it's it's part of west virginia, lore, you know it's. It's such a, it's such an identification with west virginia, my home state, and yeah, so I, yeah there is a sense of like ownership and belonging and and comfort in some of these tales from from like your, your home area.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get it yeah, home team baby I speak your language I spreckin well.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that's that. Whether you're a lowly mathematician from Connecticut or you're the really annoying kind of know-it-all poindexter and investigator from New York City, or your name is awesome like Brom frickin' Bones, this story has a little for everybody. Is that why it's my favorite? Maybe Is it because Johnny's my favorite? Maybe Is it because Johnny Depp is in the movie? That's also a maybe. All I know is I can't help but just feel at home Something about a very angry horseman without a head taking revenge on the unsuspecting Dutch inhabitants of upstate New York in the 1700s. It just feels right in a in a year.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, oh I this is where I speak.
Speaker 1:Uh, so, so yeah.
Speaker 2:Uh, thank you for listening. Oh God, what? What is my bit? I don't even know what my bit is right now.
Speaker 1:Thank you for listening, Kyle. Thank you so much for sharing the story. I absolutely love it. I can't wait to visit it someday. Make sure to crush that like button, hit subscribe, review us on all platforms. Thanks for coming out.
Speaker 2:I think that's it. End session I think that's it and session. Yeah, and you've got to tell me to say goodbye, kyle.
Speaker 1:Okay, take care everybody bye say, goodbye Angie, bye Angie.
Speaker 2:Bye, Angie.
